Julie Carney

Does anyone have good local [N CA] resources to find CA native huckleberries ? [ETC]

Hi Stephan....
We have land near Angels Camp...
I think we're higher than you - 1400 ft and the land is foothills rather than valley
Re shrubs, my elderberries and service berry died, biut I think the service berry died because I can only get to the land at the weekend, and wasn't able to retain the water it needed to get established...
But currants and berries grow well for me...and as you can tell, I'm good at killing things off......
I find I need to start everything in gopher baskets...so far anything I've tried outside the baskets has been eaten...
We also have an over-abundance of mule deer that eat enthusiastically, so any "yummy" berries need to be in 9 ft protection [6 ft didn't work!]
I've started most trees from seed or as seedlings, so am looking forward to the day when the trees grow high enough to be "safe"
Salvias are wonderful for drawing the bees etc, and the deer leave them alone [if you choose some of the numerous highly scented varieties
Olives grow well for me....mulberries...
2 of my 3 elderberries died, and the 3rd is doing OK.....
I REALLY want the elderberry to grow!
I'm not much good at the permie stuff....I have a 20ft plus diameter circular hugel started 4ft below ground.......An old dump we cleared when we bought the land....
I don't feel comfortable using great earthmoving machines to change my land, so trying to work it as it is, and make something beautiful and productive out of 15 acres that has been overgrazed and neglected.....
It would be VERY helpful to me if there was a thread for N Ca permie growing because the climates in SW are soooo diverse.....
When I first started permaculture I did not realize I had to work the system into my particular soil and climate.....

Thank you for this article....
Glad to hear permies are not bashing Christians for our faith as we make our efforts to heal and bless the land

Paul Wheaton says "I just checked to see what that means. The name "carney" does not show up"

WHOA!!! I use another name....If you look it up, you'll find I HAVE NOT LIED!
I backed this project and the cards project..... Let me know when you find me! I can send receipts but hopefully that is unnecessary...
HOPEFULLY you'll find there are a lot more Permies.com that have supported you who use different names

I AM very interested in what you do, and am trying to understand how all the different threads you operate in Permaculture come together...Saving a buck here, and going for bust elsewhere.....

Sorry if it sounds or was adversarial....My intention is not to start a war......
I will spend more time availing myself of all the growing info on all the threads which is more where I'm at...
I want to know it IS possible to do it without needing huge money infusions...... That one family CAN REALLY make this stuff work...That what works for you on 200 acres will workable on a couple of acres too...with just the family working together, and it not costing another $100,000 to make the land produce......
I see that the outcome is what we're supposed to follow, as Jay C White Cloud and Ci Verde pointed out.
I didn't realize you went into the red on your classes...
However, I do not see it as a "crime" if you did make money with classes....
I am wondering how much it really costs to make permaculture land produce abundantly It seems to be costing you masses...... and even with help you are in the red...Is there hope for peons??

I used this term "kindda like a pyramid scheme......." because it seemed like the people who come out genuinely help, and their "pay off" is to learn the stuff, and then go, try it out, and then teach others to come and learn from them....etc.....And that was becoming the "thing" rather than the permaculture itself.

"my accusor is left rather exposed and shamed. I would like to suggest that you find another way of learning. "
I do not see myself as "exposed" as such, but maybe rebuked if you go into red. I also want to thank you for the hours that I know you genuinely give.
I've rewritten this reply so many times I regret posting my original comment....Hope it makes sense to you, and I'm not just dueling. That is not what I intend.

Ci Verde...
I have to confess, the gardening lover in my soul, saw that picture and says WOW!!!
Gets me drooling for all that's possible......... Big projects - BIG machines....
one shovel...... plant a tree!
Thanks!
PS I am genuinely happy that the kickstarter IS so successful!
Hope to learn more......

Cj Verde wrote
"I think the "big wigs" in permaculture have big ideas which need big equipment to be realized. Just remember, Bill Mollison suggested all of his big earthworks could be done with big equipment or 5000 women with spades and buckets. I think he's done it both ways. 5000 women were easier on the land but harder on him (they all wanted to be the one to make him tea). "

LOL!! However...That kindda says it's not possible for one..... We're saving for a vehicle too...tractor or mule with accessories??!!!

In response toJay C White Cloud
I've seen your buildings on internet.....Magnificent!
Guess I don't know what's "green" any more.....
I read an article on how we can heat our TINY area in winter - bending over backwards to have a tiny carbon footprint, and then we go for monster trucks to reshape the land......
I LOVE solar power....but a company who made solar panels went belly up in Co and left a toxic waste site behind........
We all seem to be on the same page re chemicals / no GMO's / pesticides though.......

I guess I may well be making myself stinky here.....And I AM writing from a medium contributor to 2 of your kickstarters both donations signed up for in the middle of the campaigns...
When I first discovered permies.com I was pretty much oblivious to permaculture, and this site has made me fall in love with it......
...I think I made some errors in my understanding permaculture along the way....And now I'm feeling disillusioned......
I was thinking this was something anyone could do with their land, a good heart and a shovel, spade etc etc......... I thought it could make us self sufficient with plenty to spare to share.....
However, it seems like there is still a need the way to "get ahead" - even with permaculture ...
seems like the land and us is not enough...
.To do it at the "gold standard", we need to have enough money to rent / buy the biggest earthmover available, and use the people we're training to get the money to do it.....kindda like a pyramid scheme.......
Within a year, well over $100,00 has been raised....You get people to come and work for free.....Yep...And I'd be there in a moment if mt circumstances allowed...... But Hoot! There goes my "Cum-By-Yah" around the campfire....
I see the need to profit from your followers.....And also to keep getting the word out.....
Just not sure what the "word" is anymore....
If you share with everyone it will enlarge your "base".....If you cut them off if they don't pay, you'll diminish some of your potential base, but end up with a loyal following .....
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It sounds very spectacular! I love the fact that it produces great straw AND great grain!
Have a good harvest!

Are you making an email list of people who will trade their favorite seeds for some of the grain? If so, I would love to be added to the list.....
Do the seeds we send you have to be a grain type, or just a favorite edible?
Can you offer a little more detail how to process / use the grain once it's harvested?...It sounds like it's hull-less??
I read that the seed seem to grow on any latitude...How about hot and dry / more water-logged, or heavy clay soil??
Thanks. Julie