Lance Bozek

I agree with Chad and William,

What you have right now is more of an illustration than a logo. That is not a bad thing, but it would be hard to use as an identifiable mark in other applications (business card, letter head, etc). On websites and other communication media the logo is used to build brand recognition, being instantly recognized. Illustrations, photos and the words tell the reader what it is the organization does.

When working with clients I talk to them about the emotion or message that needs to be communicated in the simplest form possible. Look at many major successful corporations. I know that many of us are doing what we are because we don't want to be a part of that world anymore, but there are some lessons that can be learned from organizations like Nike, Apple and AT&T. None of them have a logo showing what they produce. But the logo does communicate something about their values or solutions for the world. AT&T is about bringing the world together and allowing them to connect, Apple communicate that they do things just a little differently and Nike wants you to fly like the wind with the wings of a Greek god.

People often times want to put too much information into a logo design. They want to communicate everything they do in a picture format. The logo should be simple, clean and instantly recognizable. I often times use the silhouette test to see if it is a successful logo. If you can reproduce the logo in a single color at a small size and it still is clearly readable, then you have a successful logo.

I think as long as the superhero "P" symbol communicates the intended message then you already have your logo (identifiable mark). It just needs to be fleshed out a bit with the rest of the "permies.com" wording. I will play around with some ideas and see what I can come up with.

As for the illustration, place it in the right top corner of the site opposite the logo. This will help communicate what the site is about

Hi Permies,

So my friend's young goat (2 monthls old - Alpine/Saanen) got into the tub where the chicken scratch pellets are kept and had himself a feast. Now he is very sick and will not eat or drink anything. She is trying to give him water and baking soda.

Any suggestions as to a good treatment?

Thanks for your help.

Thanks for the input.
Have either of you tried mulching on top of the soil/sand mixture to keep it from washing away? Kind of like the "Back to Eden" gardening method but on top of a hugel bed?

I am testing out this method myself in Utah this season to see how it works for limiting evaporation.

Hi Amber,

A couple thoughts come to mind. I am visiting my family in FL this week and have been having conversations with them about building their soil. They are just starting the process of thinking about growing a garden and have not done so before.

The issue with your soil washing away into the sand... Have you considered or used any kind of mulch on top of your soil? Leaves, wood chips, or dried grass clippings could help distribute and soak up the water when it rains so that there is less to wash away the soil into the sand. Combine that with Michael's recommendation of sheet mulching and you have yourself a solid container garden that should hold up any rain.


If you were to try the hugelkultur method I would recommend wood chips to fill the voids of the branches and/or sheets of straw to cover them so the soil has something to sit on, this way it does not fall into the cracks.

I did not want to hijack your post so I started my own on hugelkultur with questions about doing it in NW Florida.
https://permies.com/t/23280/hugelkultur/Hugelkultur-Florida#188202

There may be responses that get posted there which would also be helpful to you.

Hi Everyone,

I am visiting family this week who live in Northwest FL within 5 miles of coast. I have visited 3 different houses (Mom & 2 sisters) and all have very sandy soil of course. My mom already has raised beds that she has been growing in for several years so I am going to work with her on those, but I am curious if any one has experience with doing hugel beds in the southeast. Both sisters are just starting the process of growing something.

I thought about introducing it to my family because of the irrigation saving and wondered what experiences you have had. I live in Utah on a permaculture farm so my personal experiences are with a much more arid climate. I am wondering if this area of Florida gets enough regular rain that you would not ever have to irrigate the hugel bed (Obviously water would be needed during the initial planting until crops establish themselves)

Has anyone had any problems with too much water/humudity and then wound up with unhealthy fungal issues.

Thanks for any input.

I would also love to hear how long you are able to keep the snow around for the slow melt. In Utah we also have insanely quick evaporation. I was focused on other issues this season so did not put any effort into harvesting/saving the snow. But I know that is something that I will look at over the long term. I have also read a little about the ice houses that they have used in the middle east for refrigeration.

Nice Job Brian,

We were able to get some of our Hugel beds in place last fall on the farm. We were able to get all of the heavy logs and brush layed down and then covered that with a layer of wood chip mulch. With the heavy snow that we received this season I think we got a lot of water content already sitting in them. Now we just need to cover in a good layer of soil and we will plant into them.

It remains to be seen how much water is in there and how much we will need to irrigate at first but based on common sense I am thinking I will try to always build them in the fall.

I will try and get some pictures of our project up soon.

Cedar springs Permaculture Farm is located in central Utah right along I-15 2 hours south of Salt Lake City and 4 hours north of Las Vegas.

We are offering a 3 month permaculture internship for the 2013 season. We have 3 positions open and are starting in Mid April. We can be flexible on schedule for the right person so please contact us if interested.

Along with working on building projects, earthworks, and developing food systems on our own property, we also consult and design permaculture systems for other projects. As an intern you would be involved with all of these aspects, so this would be perfect for someone who is interested in pursuing permaculture in a full time capacity.

Here are some of the experiences that will be available to all interns:

Permaculture Design & Consulting

Animal Husbandry

Sustainable Building Techniques

Composting Techniques

Wild Edible and Medicinal Plants

Conscious Living within Community

Several Local canyons for Hiking and Exploring

Natural Hot Spring Pools within 15 mins

Please visit our website http://cedarspringspermaculturefarm.com for a detailed explanation of the internship and the proposed projects for this season.

If interested you can also submit an application on the site.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Hi Solomon,

We have a permaculture internship that sounds like it might fit exactly what you are looking for. It is suited well for people who are interested in permaculture as a full time career. We also offer permaculture consulting and design to other areas off of our property, so our interns will also gain that experience. Here is a list of some of the experiences you would have here:

Permaculture Design & Consulting

Animal Husbandry

Sustainable Building Techniques

Composting Techniques

Wild Edible and Medicinal Plants

Conscious Living within Community

Several Local canyons for Hiking and Exploring

Natural Hot Spring Pools within 15 mins

However we are in Utah, so quite a bit further away than you were originally looking.

Let me know if you are interested in discussing more.

Cedar Springs Permaculture Farm is offering a 3 month internship for the 2013 season.

Topics covered will include:

Permaculture Design & Consulting

Animal Husbandry

Sustainable Building Techniques

Composting Techniques

Wild Edible and Medicinal Plants

Conscious Living within Community

Several Local canyons for Hiking and Exploring

Natural Hot Spring Pools within 15 mins.

Check the information on this post for details https://permies.com/t/22797/rockies/Permaculture-Internship-Utah-Season#185600

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