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Donald Kenning wrote:Mr. Davis:
OK, one thing at a time.
The "fertilizer" is "organic based". They can say that because the main ingredient is stuff that came out of the butt of a chicken. You seem to be worried about the chickens. First of all, growth hormones are not given to chickens (illegal) (however they do give them to cows). Some chickens these days do not get antibiotics, but if this chicken manure is in a package with this other garbage, then quite likely, the chickens had antibiotics. Since people (and your pets) do not eat the grass the antibiotics will eventually break down. The chicken was probably, also, fed gmo corn and other crap, but that is a discussion for another time.
The other stuff in the bag. Yea, those things are either mined (raping the earth) or created from petroleum (raping the earth) and travel long distances to get to your store (raping the earth). Some companies even call those other ingredients "natural" because they came from the earth (mined).
I believe the reason that Paul suggests half the amount (of any kind of fertilizer) is because he has come to the realization that healthy soils do not get depleted of nutrients. That a healthy soil food web moves all the water and nutrients to your plants (grass) it needs. That applies to everything that grows such as lawns, gardens and 10,000 acre row crop farms. But for many people who have spent a lifetime believing soils deplete, it is hard to get them to stop using the chemicals that are simply not needed. Therefore, it is easier to convince someone to use half than to use none at all.
I could be wrong about Paul's reasoning but that is my guess.
wayne fajkus wrote:Are you bagging when you mow or are the clippings staying in the lawn?
Burra Maluca wrote:David - you might find this article interesting. Just click it and it should take you to the page Organic Lawn Care
John Polk wrote:Well, that certainly is not an "organic" product.
"Organic" can be a very loose term. For 'organic' produce, the regulations are pretty strict.
In general commerce, the interpretation is much looser.
It could be argued that petroleum, and its by-products are organic.
After all, it is derived from foliage that has been decaying in the earth for millions of years.
Doesn't mean that you should spray your tomato plants with kerosene, because it came from plants.
Their claim that it is based on organic matter reflects that its primary ingredient is chicken shit.
Undoubtedly from 'factory farmed hens', whose diet is mostly GMO soy and corn, laced with antibiotics.
Almost all commercial chicken manure comes from factory farms - they produce tons of it as a by-product.
Try scattering some clovers into your lawn. They will fix as much nitrogen from the atmosphere as that product will provide.
John Polk wrote:Welcome to permies David.
When you say 'so called organic', what do you mean?
If it is truly organic, the hens should never be fed antibiotics, chemicals, GMOs, etc.
If the label just says something like 'Natural', 'Nature's own', etc. then it probably will contain trace amounts of those additives. If it actually says "Organic", and/or has an OMRI label, then it should be safe to use.
If it does however, have any of those ingredients, probably the most concerning would be the antibiotics ("against life").
We live in an over medicated society, and tests of treated waste water often reveal substantial quantities of antibiotics. Besides killing much of your soil life, their abundance in 'the wild' (your lawn and dog) is a primary factor of the evolution of disease organisms that are developing immunity to these 'life savers'.
EDITED to add: This is much more of a concern on edible crops than it is on a lawn, but still a concern.