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Anyone using zero grazing methods for sheep/goats/cows? If so, how are you gathering feed in an efficient manner?

I see this method commonly advertised by NGO for developing areas.  It has numerous advantages:  it eliminates the need for costly fencing, improves forage management, concentrates manure for easy collection, eliminates damage to crops and wildlife areas, and keeps feed parasite free.

The most obvious downside I see is the labor required to harvest the feed.  I routinely give prunings to my animals.  A half day's worth of prunings are consumed within a few hours leaving the animals hungry for more.  I couldn't imagine cutting and hauling enough feed every day for much more than a single milk goat, yet the NGO videos often show farmers feeding several cows.

Another danger I see is allowing the method to lapse into a feedlot situation with poor manure management and feedlot associated health problems.  I believe exercise is also important for animal health.
 
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Hi Grey,

While I am sure it can be done, I am skeptical.  Because of coyotes,  I bring my livestock into corrals closer to my house at night.  I also use those corrals Dec through Feb to make life easier for me.  Now if I had one milk goat or a couple of pigs it might be acceptable... just as long as I didn't look too close at the numbers.  Many people homestead with limited livestock on 1 or 2 acres.
 
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John F Dean wrote: Hi Grey,

While I am sure it can be done, I am skeptical.  Because of coyotes,  I bring my livestock into corrals closer to my house at night.  I also use those corrals Dec through Feb to make life easier for me.  Now if I had one milk goat or a couple of pigs it might be acceptable... just as long as I didn't look too close at the numbers.  Many people homestead with limited livestock on 1 or 2 acres.



How much stock do you put in those corrals in the winter?  What do you feed them?  How do you manage the manure?  Do you use bedding?
 
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Like John, I'm skeptical of this method as well. It's very much a commercialized production approach, rather than a permaculture approach. You won't find it in any natural ecosystem. You've already spotted the pitfalls, which create a lot of work to avoid.

I have goats, which are free to graze (rotationally), but are in their shelters at night with free choice hay. I use the deep litter method in the barn and find it works very well. My bedding is wasted hay, mostly. I rarely buy straw. Several times a year I clean out the barn and top dress the pastures with it. I especially search out bare spots, where I toss down a forage seed mix and cover it with the barn litter. For me, this is the simplest and easiest workflow. My goats are healthy and happy, and my pastures are improving.

I do gather branches and weeds for the goats, but it's more of a treat. I agree it would be a lot of work to gather enough to keep them in good condition. Remember too, that goats, sheep, and cows are ruminants. They require long-stemmed grasses and hay to stay in top health because that's how their digestive systems are designed to work.
 
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Yes I use straw bedding.  I keep around 30 bales on hand.  I have, at present, 4 corrals of varying sizes.  To grab onto  number ...say 40x60 feet
I have 2 more not quite as close to the house that are available. At the moment, the 2 extra ones lack shelter. For the winter I have 6 goats and 3 pigs.  The pigs get a mix of beets, oats, corn, and sunflower seed.  The goats get a mix of goat feed, sunflower, and beets.  Hay is available for both the pigs (Kunekune) and goats.
 
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