Prevention and treatment for novel coronavirus COVID 19

I've had the IV Vit. C treatment to help handle a bacteria infection.  It was hard going and ended up being worse for my body than the infection so we had to stop it.  I wouldn't recommend it as a cure-all.  

Because there's no scientifically-backed treatment for COVID just yet, we need to be vigilant when evaluating different ideas.  Anecdotal evidence is just a starting place.  Just like any medician, what works for one person, may not work for another.  The care needs to be customized to the individual, especially because this coronavirus has such extremely different ways of interacting with individual humans.  

That said, there are lots of things we can do!  Vit C is awesome for improving the initial defence against viruses and bacteria.  I've tripled my daily dose for the duration of this pandemic.  Eating well to give our body the building blocks to fight the infection (and having a supply of easy to make, high-calorie food - aka junk food - for when we're feeling too ill to cook).  Deep cleaning the house to remove dust and other lung irritants.  I'm washing my hands for 20seconds or more with lots of soap and using hand sanitizer (lovely locally made stuff from locally distilled alcohol) when there is no soap.  Most of all, I'm keeping my distance and not leaving the house unless I run out of milk.  Even then, I pop out in offpeak times.  Today we drove past several stores with long ques to get in, so we choose a shop that had no one waiting outside and only one human inside.  

paul wheaton wrote:In the end we came to the conclusion that 90 or below is the time to go to the hospital.  93 is "go get it checked out when the hospital isn't busy".   One nurse said that at 93 she would take her daughter in, but she wouldn't take herself in until it hit 90.

This is how I talk about pulse ox values and when to worry:

We want the patient to get an "A."  Some people are sticklers and say that an A is 94% and up, but some people are more easy-going and say that anything over 90% is an A.  It's not an emergency if a deeply sleeping person dips down to maybe 87%, if it's brief, but if someone is doing their best to breathe and can't get to 90%, that's a bad scene.  Time for supplementary oxygen, and that means heading off to a hospital.  If you call an ambulance, they have oxygen with them.  The majority of COVID-19 patients who need help, just need oxygen.

Oh!  But your pulse ox needs to have a good wave form to give you a reliable number.  It is literally measuring how red your blood is, so it has to focus in on the pulse to get a good reading.  They are designed to never over-estimate, but sometimes they will underestimate.  Nail polish messes it up.  Anything that blocks the red light from shining through your fingertip could mess it up.  If the patient looks fine and the pulse ox is 84%, trust your instincts, not the device.

Regular deep breathing (doesn't have to be with Wim Hof's video, but that's a good plan there) will increase your lung capacity, and that's a good thing.  COVID-19 leads to fluid buildup in the lungs.  If your lungs work well, you'll be able to get by with just a portion of your lungs doing the work.

And SLEEP!  Lots and lots.  Which reminds me - I need to sleep now myself...

Let's start with the history of disease and move through to modern ramifications of factory farming  Pandemics---This is a long video (1hr) but it is full of all sorts of useful information.



Next, if you are buying herbs over the counter, be aware that most of them are bogus. herbal fraud   I mention this because with something life threatening even a well known herbal treatment will fail if the herbal supplement is weak or bogus.  here's a blog on the same topic  labeling fraud.

Echinacea is partially an anti viral but don't use it as a tonic everyday. It has  a unique class of harmless sacharides  that mimic viral coats and turn on the immune system--but the immune system will start to recognize these as harmless if used over longer periods of time.


Echinacea is a very easily recognized tincture--- If it doesn't make your tongue tingle and go somewhat numb, it's worthless ----find a quality or home made one that really works if you want more than just a placebo effect. Use this if you believe you may have been exposed. There are both glycerin and alcohol extracts, and teas will work to some extent, all parts of the plant are possible to use, but the root is generally the most concentrated. Tablets or capsules are a very poor way to use this herb in my opinion, but crush the tablet or open the capsule if you must use this form.


Dr. Christopher had an "anti plague" formula that was complicated and time consuming to make. It is probably the most effective one still out there  ANTI PLAGUE FORMULA

Here's a simpler formula, just about as effective-- strong yellow onions, garlic, horseradish, cayenne,, blend them all up in vinegar and put them on the counter and shake them every day --A dark jar to prevent light is preferred-If it's still there after two weeks (ie: you haven't used it all up as a salad dressing,)filter out the coarse sediment --- I use cheesecloth or a paint strainer cloth--

add other herbs to taste and make your treatment/prevention fun as you're eating your kale, lettuce, etc fresh from your garden

I know this has been said before, dairy is one food to avoid at all costs if your lungs are filled and you are having trouble breathing, not to mention the fact that dairy proteins are primary in confusing and misdirecting the immune system. Water, whole fruit and vegetable juices (with fiber) are the preferred nutrition during treatment of any disease.

I think it is worth mentioning, as some people are beginning to recover from what they believe to be covid 19, that there are people in China who, having recovered, may be getting it again after being re-exposed.

I don't "know" this, I got it from a reliable source, but it is still pretty early in this human adventure to know if a bout of it provides the immunity we expect.

Pretty sad if it doesn't...

About elderberries and that cytokine storm, here is a link where a professional herbalist discusses the controversy.


https://www.facebook.com/larken.bunce/posts/2599275153652254?mc_cid=08aaeed9ff&mc_eid=%5BUNIQID%5D&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=85037837&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8o_vmOeis-bGwEdogCs3tDjEHaICZfQqlfBTjdgwT-wzoj4VpI5W9NT2AGhZYaS5Q9dcjkMDeCidT8dfo6trZ-H5IcBA&_hsmi=85037837

Nice quick reference from Matthew Wood/ Phyllis Light respiratory class yesterday regarding current respiratory issue: Preventive stage = 1/3 adaptogen (herbs that aid the body in adapting to various stressors)/ immune support herbs, 1/3 warming herbs, 1/3 demulcents (moisturizing mucus membrane protective herbs).  As plan for early stages of illness add herbs per symptom and stop adaptogen herbs after a few days if it continues to progress (this is where we stop elderberry and such).  In early stages amp up heating herbs and demulcents.  If early stage has clear thin nasal fluids, okay to use drying herbs as long as still balanced with demulcents.  And lots of talk of Angelica.  :)

Natural Antivirals to Inhibit Covid-19
My husband showed me a research study on antiviral herbs that the Chinese are using to treat Coronavirus and I studied it so that I could write a blog to make it easier for folks to read.
It took me so long to understand the study that I almost thought they would find the vaccine before I finished writing the blog.  
The cool thing for me was that the study's principal author emailed me back and said that out of the 26 Chinese herbs he proposed would work, the Chinese government used 9 of them on coronavirus cases and they were seeing good clinical results from their use!
Luckily, I finished the blog last week and here it is: BLOG on Natural Antivirals to inhibit Covid-19
Or just cut and paste http://www.growmyownfood.com/natural-antivirals-coronavirus

A one two punch cocktail for if you get Covid...this is in addition to all other supplementation.

500mg Vit C powder
1oz whisky or vodka
2ml chaga dual extract
1ml elderberry syrup

Dissolve vit c in alcohol and add chaga & elderberry. Shoot it and go to bed.

Not a substitute for high dose vit c & chaga daily.

This inexpensive device is easy to acquire and learn to use. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010MAF7GE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Used by respiratory therapists to develop lung capacity and to fend-off, or recover from, loss of capacity due to pneumonia.
Perhaps worth considering in proactive mode to exercise/strengthen and expand lung capacity. Gives you a way to gauge progress and status.

If you're swimming a mile a day or taking uphill walks that get you huffing and puffing you probably don't need this, but if you're elderly or have reduced lung capacity due to respiratory challenges, or if you've just been lying around in front of the tube too much and getting into a shallow breathing habit... this is a tool that can help you put your lungs in training to be ready to fight a congestive attack.

Just an idea, for those who like to keep all systems tuned up.

Check out YouTube for video on how to properly use a "volumetric incentive spirometer". The strengthening "exercise" is in the exhale, not the inhale (often misunderstood in absence of instruction by a professional). Here's one example of an instructive video (there are many others as well)     There are a couple of variations available in spirometer designs. Easy to find a good one for under $25-30, of same quality the respiratory therapists give you in the hospital if/when you have a long bedridden stay or an extended pain mngt period on opiates (as opiates can suppress lung capacity).

I just finished writing a blog post explaining 3 primary reasons everyone should wear a mask while out in public to combat this disease.  It's not all directly relevant to this thread on prevention and treatment, but I wanted to mention my 3rd reason here because it does strongly affect treatment and seems rarely mentioned.  This is the concept of viral load, or how much of the virus you are initially infected with.  Wearing a mask can significantly reduce your load.  When you are infected by a smaller load then it will take longer for the virus to multiply to a level that overwhelms your body.  This gives your immune system more critically needed time to develop antibodies and ramp up production to hopefully overwhelm the virus first.  Those with lower initial viral loads tend to have better outcomes, ie. they don't get as sick.  

If you have a lower viral load to begin with and then combine that with some of the things suggested in this tread I would have to think your chances of a mild case would greatly increase.

If you'd like to read the blog you can find it here.

Hi all!  I am a retired "health sensitive" and healer who has used the very teensy-tiny particles of minerals suspended in ionized water for years now, first to treat customers, and now to treat me and the family members who will listen to what my daughter laughingly describes as their "friendly neighborhood witch doctor" (me--lol).  Mineral H20 (I buy mine from Amazon) makes COPPER, SILVER and ZINC in the very tiny particles. Now, they even make a concentrate which is a heck of a lot cheaper to ship. With the concentrate, a little goes a long ways!

COPPER: kills (explodes!) viruses
SILVER:  kills bacteria
ZINC:     causes the cells to take up a big volume of the copper or silver, then expel. It sort of "pumps" the silver and/or copper into the cell in a big way, then the mineral/s are expelled.

Copper Concentrate can be either:
1)  Added to boiling water, to be breathed in (hold head over bowl of steaming water and copper--add zinc if you want a major treatment--with a couple of bath towels over your head to form a tent.
2)  Add to water --again with zinc if desired--and drink (tastes icky) and then eat or drink food because copper is rough on the stomach and can make you feel like heaving otherwise
3)  Clean with the copper solution.

If you want to combine copper, silver and zinc as a "super treatment," always combine ONLY what you are going to ingest or breathe in at that time. The qualities of the minerals become mangled if you simply dump them together and leave them to party by themselves (lol).

My mentor, Bill Rich (The MSM King) would add a bit of MSM to just about everything he sold. You can add a little pinch of MSM powder to the copper/silver/zinc if you would like to drive your treatment further into your tissues, BUT....it is important to recall that MSM will dump cumulative medications from your cells! So thyroid medication, high blood pressure medication, etc., WILL GET DUMPED when MSM is ingested, which is no good!

I have not dealt with "The Virus" myself yet (and hope not to, at a youthful 71!) but if anyone feels their lungs are filling up with junk or scar tissue, dumping some MSM in boiling water, and doing the towel-over-head trick, breathing in the steam and MSM is probably a smart move to try. One might start with a lesser amount of MSM, and add more minute by minute, just in case the lungs are raw and too much MSM might sting a bit. MSM opens up the cells and dumps the toxins, and regular use of the stuff in a cream (over a period of months) removed Bill Rich's horrible burned and damaged skin on his leg (ankle to just below the knee), replacing it with healthy pink skin. So it may be of help to Virus damaged lungs as well. Just a thought.

So glad you're doing pretty well under the circs, Paul! And hang in there, Fred!!
-Cheri Sutherland

David Huang says:   I just finished writing a blog post ...

I just finished reading that Dave, and highly recommend it to anyone concerned about getting sick, or is already sick. There is such an overwhelming flood of information and misinformation right now, it helps to focus on some basic common sense. I’ve heard of so many people saying they ‘know’ they have coronavirus (or have had it and recovered), they ‘know’ they will have immunity once they conquer it, etc, when in reality even the medical professionals are still figuring it all out. With wild and random extremes, like some people with barely any symptoms dying within a day or two, it becomes obvious it’s not a cut and dried diagnoses. The only certainty seems to be Uncertainty. How accurate are the tests, how accurate are the numbers, who is carrying the virus but not showing symptoms... so many variables.
Wearing a mask (or better yet, staying away from people), is the simplest way to protect your lungs from not just Covid-19 but any other influenza viruses circulating right now.

I was not sure whether to post in this thread or in the home-sewn face mask thread.

I wanted to state something that sounds silly but that surprised me this morning when I went to the supermarket:
Prepare and act in a thoughtful and cool manner!

I felt smart because I had my sewn mask and my disposable gloves. But then I noticed that the masked slipped because I had failed to do something with my hair (which is really straight and slippery in winter). I had to readjust the mask and my hair constantly.
BTW, no other people with masks, but more marks on the floor and finally a plastic screen to protect the cashier. (DH did NOT wear a mask, just gloves, because he was embarrassed. Duh!!)
When paying, I got nervous as I had problems to get the card out of my wallet and to correctly type the PIN. DH had to tell me to relax.
When getting out, he commented on the correct order of getting off the gloves (and the way to do so) so that the steering wheel did not get touched with exposed hands etc.

Back at home we followed the guidelines of a video that was posted here of how to decontaminate your groceries before bringing them into the house. I also left my coat outside in the sun as well as the fabric bags.

That whole undertaking was a bit stressful as I had underestimated the psychological component.
Just my experience, you might be cooler in such events.

There are two plants that jump to mind as maybe helping against Covid symptoms.  First and most promising, Devil's Club, Opplopanax Horridum methinks is the official name, native to the Pacific Northwest America.  Possibly some types of prickly poppies may be worth looking at.

Any attempt at finding a plant or other biological substance that helps against Corona is a shot in the dark, but odds are, if not in the plant kingdom, then from algae or even venom there are plants that can help against this plant if not cure it.

Devils Club was used by the Native Americans of the Region for treating Respiratory Diseases, and some claim it can cure TB, (although there are purportadly many plants that can do that.  It also lowers blood sugar.  It is the most important medicinal plant of the Natives in the region.

Is there a better forum for people to share plants that may be able to help along with research and outcomes from their uses against this new killer virus?

I suggest you read my thread here, this is about prevention and cure for coronavirus:
http://meulengrachtforum.altervista.org/forum/index.php/topic,1289.msg4363.html#msg4363

Permies is a place where we share what works for us.  Some things are based on hard work of the tried-and-true forefathers of permaculture, some are "Hey I tried this and it worked-or it didn't!"  

If you feel something works for you, go ahead, unless it's something poisonous.  Yes. people have poisoned themselves. In cures, remedies, permaculture, and life, I have found it useful to be able to determine what is science and what is pseudo-science; what studies are early and what studies are rock solid, what my grandmother used to help me feel better as a kid and what home "remedies" were a waste of time and tastebuds; the latter will be highly variable for everyone.

So, after all that, may I add that while hot steam does NOT kill Covid-19,  leaning over a pot of hot, steaming water a few times a day sure made me feel better and I got my senses of smell/taste back the day after.  And that is totally enthusiastic, anecdotal advice

The best part of this post is it is only my good-natured opinion and nobody has to pay attention to it.  

Peace, all!

I'm just saying that if no one had a positive test you can assume it is just the seasonal flu.

So, this is the medicinal herbs forum, but I was going to answer about advices to support the nervous system, which is indeed working to allow the immune system to work better.

As I have somatic training in this field, I have shared several times about what has to be modified in most advices: you cannot impose any exercise on the body, as the effects have to happen alone. So instead of saying anything like "relax" and induce a relaxation by dropping shoulders etc, you'd better feel where you are not relaxed and just put your attention there, until there is an autonomous change: it happens alone!

And it makes a big difference when you do it like this. If it does not happen alone, there are tips so that it does, like also focusing outside the body too, with your senses, and noticing what is pleasant to you. You can act voluntarily on those points! Like use a nice natural fragance or a soft music you like and whatever your senses guide you towards. It can be noticing a glimpse of a sun ray and suddenly noticing birds were singing and you had not paid attention, and you might feel the change, like going on with a sigh!

I have published a text in english about this here, and it is public: https://www.facebook.com/soazicxisca.nicolas/posts/2783517201764340
I have chosen to illustrate with a yawning sloth... as yawning is a sign of spontaneous relaxation.

(Then I wrote other textes in spanish, to honnour that lockdown means "local", but FB offers the translation. )

I assure you that though simple, it works and it good to implement as life long habits. Actually, it is the way animals do it, and they don't have a strong cortex in their own way! I don't know if the little reactions come from me not writing well or if it seems too simple or if people cannot believe me!

Just an image...
Make a pendulum balance and it will start straight at a fast speed. Now try to stop it and it will jump in the air because you block its residual energy. Same for us. How does the pendulum stops nicely? By wasting the residuous energy in oscillation. We need the same, and it happens better if we give the process mere attention.

Here is a little practice:
Make a nice noise, like on a tibetan bowl, something that resonates during some time. Then listen to it until you are sure it is finished. It is very probable that your attention will shift away from it and you have to come back listening on purpose. Try to practise by using pleasure and not "making an exercice", and it will work better. Also see if you do it with ease and not with crispation and will. You want to feel a sense of expansion in your body, same as the sound expands...

And this is exactly how our body manages any stress (to not stay in sympathetic activation more than needed), while not forcing the parasympathetic state (as forcing might result in a fake calm state with the activation/steam coming out from elsewhere. This explains phenomenas like anxiety etc). So you can use your thoughts and human brain to channel your attention, but the rest must happen alone. Induce it, but do not "make it". Give yourself time.

You can also use fractal forms to connect to, they help a lot to feel expansion.

jimmy gallop wrote:I'm just saying that if no one had a positive test you can assume it is just the seasonal flu.

My position is that if all the symptoms match, then you don't need the test.  

reason 1:   people that are getting tested are first tested for flu and found that they do not have flu.  But a majority of those people are found to not have coronavirus.

reason 2:   the test has become too influenced by politics.

reason 3:   the test is shit

reason 4:   some people have been hospitalized, but it takes five tests until they get a positive.

reason 5:   What does it matter if you get the test?  If you need hospitalization, you will get hospitalization.  


Yes, it would be great to have that rock solid bit of information - but the information is NOT rock solid.  


Here are the two paths being explored:

     PATH 1:  Are you sick with all the symptoms?  Then treat it.  

     PATH 2:  Are you sick with all the symptoms?  Then treat it and we will also take some spit and run it through the great bullshit engine.   And when the great bullshit engine returns the results, we will then be able to confirm that you are sick (and continue treatment) or we will accuse you of being a fraudulent piece of shit liar (and continue treatment)



I choose to not put much weight in "the great bullshit engine".  

The way the test is given influences the rate of false negatives.  If you aren't feeling like the test is killing you by sticking the swab into your brain (not really what is happening, but from people I've talked to, it's what it feels like), then it greatly increases your risk of getting a false negative.

There are lots of different ways of processing the tests out there.  Some have accuracy as low as 65% (even when given properly) others have an accuracy rate of over 95% (when given properly).

Remembering this was already one of the worst cold and flu seasons in decades before COVID began to spread.  

But, COVID is out there and every country (and every region) is responding differently.  Where I live, the testing is over 95% accurate but most people here are taking social distancing seriously and I have enough food in the house to make it through the hunger gap if I need to.  

If I lived somewhere like the US, I would probably go with an elimination diagnosis.  They are good at testing for the flu, colds, and regular pneumonia.  If the illness has the symptoms and isn't one of those, then it would be good to assume it's COVID.  However, since there isn't a cure, just treatment of symptoms, the diagnosis isn't that important at the individual level (it's important at the epidemic level if one is trying to trace and slow the spread).

Also, many of the prevention methods for regular colds and flu are good for COVID.  Before getting it, I am working on boosting my immune system, but if I do get it, I'll be very careful how I encourage my immune system as it can overreact to the illness and that's the big danger for my demographic.  

There is quite a bit of evidence that keeping humidity above 55% will stop most viruses from spreading to others.  The theory is that when they are shed by a carrier, they "glom" onto free water particles and immediately fall to the floor where the risk of transmission is greatly reduced.  They also deactivate much faster in a humid involvement.  They say that moving water has a cleansing effect- that may well prove true here.  

Humidifiers are cheap and will help you get over this- dry air always is harder to breathe. So even if it does not help destroy this bug, it will help you two to breathe. A rather inexpensive solution to keeping whatever you have from spreading and from adding to each others "viral load."

here is some more about Vit C treatment and the WHO recommendations against it for COVID.

From my research back when I was taking it, IV Vit C is good for chronic bacterial infections.  COVID-19 is not (yet) chronic (long term) nor bacterial.  So I'm not sure how excessive dose of Vit C will help.  It might help, but given how bad my reaction was to this 'harmless' cure, I wouldn't want to try it outside a hospital setting where one can have quick access to acute care.

However, I can see the general dose of about 1000 to 5000 mg per day PRIOR to catching the virus would help boost the immune system.  It's generally recommended that one has 1-2,000 mg per day of Vit C to boost the immune system in cold and flu season (it's also a fantastic hangover cure) and more with doctor supervision.  Given the way that COVID uses the immune system against the host, I would be very worried about experimenting with an immune booster while ill with this virus.  So if I get ill, I'll probably reduce my Vit C to 1000 per day.  



I also want to note, where I live, it's common practice to combine high dose IV Vit C with a generic cocktail of IV vitamins and hydration fluids.  When I recovered from the damage from the IV Vit C overload, I continued with the IV vitamines and hydration and this had a very positive effect.  My illness prevented me from absorbing vitamins into my system through my gut and not having to battle malnutrition and dehydration gave my body enough strength to get over the worst of it.

paul wheaton wrote:
Here are the two paths being explored:

     PATH 1:  Are you sick with all the symptoms?  Then treat it.  

     PATH 2:  Are you sick with all the symptoms?  Then treat it and we will also take some spit and run it through the great bullshit engine.   And when the great bullshit engine returns the results, we will then be able to confirm that you are sick (and continue treatment) or we will accuse you of being a fraudulent piece of shit liar (and continue treatment)



I choose to not put much weight in "the great bullshit engine".  

I needed to see this, Paul.

Roberto pokachinni wrote:

For all pathogen-based diseases, stress can certainly play a role, but I'm talking about people who otherwise lead much healthier lifestyles than I.  So the point about looking at the bigger picture is relevant here.    

I think that stress is my primary source of getting ill.  There are a lot of different things that amount to stress: mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual.  Many studies have documented the correlation between stress and illness.  The word disease, comes from dis-ease, which is that we are in a stessed situation.  Things aren't easy when we are sick.  They are complicated and messy.  We need to change the state of who we are to not be diseased, to not be in a state of a lack of ease, to not be sick/ill.  

So, one major thing that is in our power to do, is to reduce our stress.  Do things that make yourself happy, fulfilled, and purposeful.  

Many, if not all, traditional cultures associated illness with evil and bad spirits.  It is super important to keep our spirits up, even if we are ill, and/or even if we feel that we are not recovering well or fast enough.  

Keeping our spirits up is not some airy super-purple idea; it is just a matter of trying ones best to think positively, to pick yourself up, and to not allow stress to the factor that is controlling our health.  We are controlling our stress.  We are largely if not completely, controlling our health.  

So, remember, you got this, relax and do your best to increase your health and wellness, and if you can, do the same for others in any way possible.  


I believe that our minds are far more powerful than we commonly believe, and I further believe that the power of positive thinking and affirmations, like prayer and placebo, have a massive potential impact on the health and well being of ourselves and our communities.  I'm not saying that this is the magic bullet that kills Covid 19, but it can play a huge role if we affirm within ourselves that we have the ability to heal ourselves.  A postive attitude is positive altitude in eliminating dis-ease.

In that regard, I propose that this song take on that role.  It is a sing-a-long round, and is catchy, and it is certainly brought forward wonderfully by this vibrant soul.

I can't imagine how many kids are stressed out, and nervous, and scared, and tense right now.  Those things can all be helped.  We can help them.  The same is true of adults.  

I wish you the blessings that you deserve: health, and wellness, and good spirits.  Stay positive, people, you and we will get through this.

Do we need another thread to speak about this?
I made a post yesterday too, mainly to answer yours, because you are right, and I wanted to add a few things, because yes we can control, but we cannot relax with our will power, and our mind can just influence the spirit. It is so much more efficient to do it this way!

So I listened to this little song, it is good, I then clicked and it went on YouTube, and this woman has the same type of autism as I have, nearly invisible. This is probably why she chose this carreer of neurology using music...

So if you listen to this song, and sing it, then I advise to go further and pay attention to the body feelings and the changes coming from singing. It enhances the results by feeling better the relaxation and the sense of expansion felt in the body, so that it can expand even more. It is necessary to let it happen at its own rhythm, and to not force a relaxation. See my post above (or already a page before?), as I have used analogies to explain why. I really wished more people would pay attention to this side of influencing health, because it is at play anyway, and we can make it happen better by doing it more consciously.

BAT cigarette company may have vaccine for coronavirus made from tobacco plants and could have millions of doses ready by summer:  Newsweek article

lesley verbrugge wrote:Stephen Harrod Buhner's book Herbal Antivirals details protocols for "Influenza, Enteroviruses, Encephalitis, SARS, Dengue, the herpes group, Ebola, Zika and more" ...

I just got my hand on "Herbal Antivirals" by Stephen Harrod Buhner and ... AMAZING! Dear lord, where has this book been all my life?

What defense am I taking?

Rest,   making sure I don't get sleep deprived.


Lower stress,   after researching the virus and listening to too much data I shut off the data so I can clear brain of the craziness that is all around me.



Vitamin C    1,000  mg   ( will increase if I feel anything out of the normal )

Vitamin D3                   ( gel tablets )

Moringa                     (  multi vitamin in a tree incorporated into all my bread I make )


Hermit mode on,    moving all conversations via phone,  keeping space between me and everyone.

Going to grocery,   getting taxes done,  I wear a mask with thieves essential oil drops in the mask,   yes I look stupid,  but really   looking stupid twice a month does not hurt my feelings much.


I have made 4  gallons of Colloidal Silver, and use it in a vaporizer, and use it with a net pot after I go out.    I figure if a virus made into my sinus area it will have a terrible time getting a foot hold after that.


I have started eating more tummeric with my chill to help with anti - inflammatory, and also to gain the other benefits of tummeric.


Rife machine,    I have used this with great success before on virus,    I have the frequencies need to hit this and would use this as I have experience with this device.

On the back shelf I would plan to breath ozone that has been bubble thru olive oil,   to give the virus a very bad day.     Ozone would be like the last line of defense.


I have been debating on getting licorice root,  but since I have what I consider a good defense I don't believe I need to go overboard anymore.


This virus I do not see going away as it was built too well from good stock.     Below is a break down of what we know of the strains of this growing illness.

I have seen so many references to taking Vitamin C and feel I have to speak out.

1000 mg of vitamin c is not a harmless supplement, in that purity and quantity it is a drug. What I was taught in my master herbalist class was that vitamin c in that dosage without the bioflavonoids normally associated with it in nature becomes a mutagenic agent.

A "truly natural" dose of that magnitude with the bioflavinoids would be the size of a golf ball (or more)     staying close to the RDA  somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 -200mg does the body good, more than that. who knows?"  vit c and cancer

Intravenous vitamin C may have some anti cancer effects, large doses of Vitamin c orally may mitigate colds, but the body can only put so much vitamin c into the blood stream anyway--about what you'd get for 200mg orally. More than that becomes expensive urine.

I was told Linus Pauling's wife was doing 2500 mg daily when she died of stomach cancer

In short, be careful with vitamin c, the actual research is shaky as far as positive effects, and in one of the most recent experiments with terminal cancer it seemed to shorten life span slightly.

There are so many things out there that have been engineered (by nature) to really do our bodies good and balance us out in emergencies, I would much rather rely on them than something out of a lab.

Oh, and I forgot one ingredient in the quick anti plague recipe I gave earlier, the amended recipe is strong(not sweet) onions, garlic, horse radish, ginger, cayenne in  a vinegar extraction--use it as a salad dressing every day. If one ingredient really puts you off, leave it out or minimize it, there's lots of good anti viral, anti fungal, anti bacterial agents there to go around several times. (also liver tonics, circulation helps, etc etc)

I enjoy Yarrow Willard's Herbal Jedi videos and appreciated his take on COVID-19 support.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFl4gXnRpZM

Do use caution with herbs that can increase heart rate if you have a weakness in the heart, and go easy or use caution with licorice, too.

Two vids to share with you forgive me if these have already been posted. In a bit of a rush!


and the follow on with historical data:

Based on what we have seen here in BC, and the rest of Canada, the key is NO GATHERINGS (birthday parties,weddings, funerals...).  Have contact ONLY with those in your household, insist on social distancing of at least 6-7 feet outside your home.  Do not touch railings, playground equipment etc.  Do not use use public tennis courts, basketball courts, gyms.  Do not take reusable bags to the grocery store.  Do not visit family that does not reside with you, do not visit hospitals or care homes.  Yes, go outside, but keep your distance, do not let others pet your dog, don't touch anything or your face.  If you are in a heavily populated metropolitan center, or a residential building, do not go out, the common areas like elevators or stairs are impossible to keep clean.  ASSUME everyone, including yourself, is infected.  The key is to SLOW the spread so that health facilities are not overwhelmed.  We have learned here that the EARLIER you go on a vent, the better; fewer deaths, quicker recovery, and it provides greater protection for the health care workers dealing with those patients.  BC is aggressively fighting this virus, we ramped up restrictions in a timely manner, focused testing on travelers (tracking and stopping community spread) heath care workers and health care residents.  We have been very fortunate to have "flattened the curve" very quickly, preventing the overwhelming of our health care resources.  Other provinces, slower to respond, have experienced exponentially greater spread, contraction and death.  Please, learn from us.  Immediately assume self protective measures, especially in densely populated areas.

If you, or any family members residing with you are elderly, have lung or immune issues, diabetes, heart disease etc...the entire family unit MUST avoid contact with others.  No going for coffee, play dates, restaurants, bars, gyms, yoga, swimming, church, mosque, synagogue, choir, no social gathering outside the home AT ALL for any member of the family unit.  The healthy can be infected, 80% will have minor to no symptoms, but they can unknowingly pass it to compromised family members who may not be so lucky.  

ASSUME everything at the grocery store is contaminated, do not get "bulk food", only packaged food that allows for external sanitation, wash all produce as soon as it enters your home or switch to frozen.  ASSUME everything ordered on line is contaminated, everything delivered is contaminated, wipe down everything with appropriate disinfecting solutions, including mail.  ASSUME the items inside your mail order packages are contaminated, and disinfect them.  Adopt a twice daily sanitation routine within your home, wiping down touch surfaces (railings, light switches, door handles, appliance knobs and handles, cupboard handles, drawer pulls, faucets, and those places you touch with out thinking - doors, chair arms etc.).  Don't forget phones, remotes, calculators, keyboards.  Literally do everything you can to ensure you create a safe bubble within your home, if you have a health compromised family member.

Here, in BC and Canada the political figures agree with the health professionals projections that this will be affecting us for as long as 18-24 mths - until herd immunity or a vaccine is available.  Look to other countries for info on best practices, use common sense, protect your at risk family members, and keep safe.

Radishes and radish greens have been effective against SARS

This is not exactly herbal, but about breathing to improve blood oxygen when sick. The article it was posted in, mentions it being used for 20 years in Toronto, and Britain is using it to treat covid 19. Please ignore the fact that some smart people can't count! (Of course, Hubby noticed right away!)

I was able to find my way back to the article the poster was shown in, if people want to read more:
https://globalnews.ca/news/6788251/breathing-technique-coronavirus/

Jay Angler wrote:...the article it was posted in, mentions it being used for 20 years in Toronto, and Britain is using it to treat covid 19. Please ignore the fact that some smart people can't count!...

Interesting! Got a link to the article or original source?

I'm a little late to this post, but hope everyone is doing as well as possible, especially Paul and team.  Just a couple of pennies to throw into the discussion (aka my two cents worth.)

Regarding Pearl's information on baking soda: I had CV symptoms in late February-early March, with chills for a couple days, and feeling like my lungs had lots of mucus. Baking soda is my go-to to help break-up excess mucus, so I took that (about 1/2 tsp or so with LOTS of tea.) Slept more than usual for about a week, and felt drug-out for another week, but then I was fine.

I didn't know that CV was acid loving, but raising your pH does help with most illnesses. My mom, who was a nurse and nurse-anesthetist for more than 40 years, told me some time back that they would give baking soda, in very small amount, to patients who had acidosis of the blood as part of their treatment. In the anatomy course I taught (homeschooler for 3 kids, all 12 grades), your kidneys filter Blood and Lymph to produce urine, so your blood/lymph, as source fluids, will be of a higher pH if your urine pH tests alkaline. Different systems in the body retain differing amount of Hydrogen. The body works toward homeostasis, so if you're only taking small amounts, any Excess will be processed and excreted.

Totally agree with Jay: not everything works for everyone. Our biochemistry(s) are each unique, like our personalities. :) If something resonates with you, do your research (for safety's sake), then try a tiny amount and see how your body reacts to it. If you get a resounding "NO", back off and try something else. And listen to your Self...you are wiser than you could possibly know.

Hang in there, folks. We're hopefully almost through this.
~Mary

Pearl Sutton wrote:

Julie Reed wrote:

Urine pH. On my test strips it needs to be very very dark for an hour.  

But a virus gets into your respiratory system and then into the blood. Urine is ‘downstream’ of that part of your system. I’m confused about how changing the pH of your urine would help kill off a virus that’s ‘upstream’ in the blood. What am I missing?

The urine numbers show the general alkalinity of the whole body. Acid loving viruses are weakened or killed, by what to them is a toxic environment. When the urine pH is elevated, it means the whole body is too, for a bit, until the kidneys can clear out the excess. An alkaline body has a lot of positive effects on the immune system, as well as waste removal systems, so your body can work more effectively to clear out the dead or weakened viruses.

This whole bit comes off alt-med flu treatment with baking soda. Influenza is also an acid loving virus, and baking soda has been used for years in this way on it. CV has been tested and was found to be an acid loving one too, so it's very likely to have the same effects. Look up baking soda and the flu for more information on it.

It's non-toxic, and easy and cheap. To me it's definitely worth trying, especially for people who won't do anything that takes too much effort, or herbs they don't have. Most people have a box of baking soda around, in their freezer if nothing else, that's why a lot of us are trying to spread this. Permies people tend to be willing to do other things, and to eat more veggies, so they run a more alkaline body than people who eat the Standard American diet, or worse. That's why I said something like "if you test your pH" I know a lot of permies do. But pH is just a reflection of what goes on in the whole body, and it doesn't stay elevated long, because your body corrects it back to it's normal state.  

Today I had a few minutes to myself while my kids and husband were building a traintrack across our stream, so I went to youtube and clicked one of the suggested videos. This is what came up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k20VFZeLKY

It was filmed in 2008, with the oldest living survivor of the Spanish Flu. Her whole family was the only family in her town that was untouched by the virus, and they all had a 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda every morning (see 4:40 in the video). She thinks this is why her whole family survived, that her mother said, "that soda would neutralize the system." I couldn't help but remember Pearl talking about baking soda in this thread!