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Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
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For unlimited return on all your investments - Make your deposits at 'The Entangled Bank' !
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CARE OF PEOPLE: Provision for people to access those resources necessary to their existence.
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Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
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SETTING LIMITS TO POPULATION AND CONSUMPTION: By governing our own needs, we can set resources aside to further the above principles [meaning the first two ethics].
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Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
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Paul Cereghino- Ecosystem Guild
Maritime Temperate Coniferous Rainforest - Mild Wet Winter, Dry Summer
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Robert Ray wrote: Who am I to share the surplus with? If I have surplus and preserve it or need to preserve it to prevent spoilage how much can I bank or store and not viloate the ethic?
Freakin' hippies and Squares, since 1986
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Moderator, Treatment Free Beekeepers group on Facebook.
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Michael Cox wrote:
How can we hope to expand permaculture beyond the scale of micro agriculture and personal hobby farms if we tell farmers that they must "share the surplus".
.By governing our own needs, we can set resources aside to further the above principles
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Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Burra Maluca wrote: Willie Smits.
This guy is my personal super-hero (sorry Paul...).
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Cj Verde wrote:
Michael Cox wrote:
How can we hope to expand permaculture beyond the scale of micro agriculture and personal hobby farms if we tell farmers that they must "share the surplus".
The 3rd ethic doesn't say that.
It says.By governing our own needs, we can set resources aside to further the above principles
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By governing our own needs,...
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Cj Verde wrote:That's why Libertarians can be drawn to permaculture. There is a strong emphasis of self-reliance:
By governing our own needs,...
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Michael Cox wrote:
But does that same ethic get in the way of wider adoptation? A commercial farmer can't govern the needs of his customers - he just supplies crops to the market.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
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Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
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For unlimited return on all your investments - Make your deposits at 'The Entangled Bank' !
Living in Anjou , France,
For the many not for the few
http://www.permies.com/t/80/31583/projects/Permie-Pennies-France#330873
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Michael Cox wrote:I guess one problem with this ethic is that it appears to be fundamentally anti-capitalist. While there are certainly flaws in the capitalist systems it can also be a force for good. If the ethic is driving permaculture out of the main stream economy it can only end up being marginalised and at a disadvantage to mainstream agriculture.
How can we hope to expand permaculture beyond the scale of micro agriculture and personal hobby farms if we tell farmers that they must "share the surplus".
Unless permaculture can financially outcompete industrial agriculture (through greater land fertility, stacking functions, etc...) you won't get large scale farmers switching over. If permaculture can be shown to out produce industrial ag then we'll see a massive expansion of permie farming and greater abundance of food. Greater abundance of food = cheaper food for all.
Micro-scale implementation of the ethic could well be working against the longer term benefits of greater adoption of permaculture. Is it "ethical" has to be weighed up against "does it work".
Mike
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
Chris Kott wrote:Traditionally, capitalism involves taking the net profit (i.e., the surplus after taking account of system costs) and reinvesting a portion of it, or turning a portion of the surplus into what is regarded as the capital, or what has been invested to start/grow the system.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
Robert Ray wrote: CJ,
What if it is a service? I could certainly sell a service with out any thing other than my time/knowledge/labor. I could go into the forest and harvest plants/seeds and obtain them for my food forest, capital acquired through sweat and time.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy. Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets and wage labor.In a capitalist economy, the parties to a transaction typically determine the prices at which assets, goods, and services are exchanged
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Chris Kott wrote:
If we can't let in excess of a century of political wrangling and tar-and-feathering go, I don't see how we can have a productive discussion on the matter.
-CK
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Chris Kott wrote:
When they say profit, all that is meant is that they want to produce a surplus. Semantic games don't change the meaning and relevance of my original post.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Living in Anjou , France,
For the many not for the few
http://www.permies.com/t/80/31583/projects/Permie-Pennies-France#330873
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
Living in Anjou , France,
For the many not for the few
http://www.permies.com/t/80/31583/projects/Permie-Pennies-France#330873
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
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