Gabriel Babin

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Hi there! I am really interested with the reciprocal roof structure with roundwood timber framing and I am wondering how to insulate it efficiently and solid enough to be able to stand on it. In Tony Wrench's book, he builds a green roof using straw bales directly on a canvas over the structure with a rubber membrane on the bales, old carpets to protect the membrane and turf on top.

I think it's awesome and very inspiring! Cheap, good enough and fast!
But in my opinion it's not enough insulation, may be interesting for the mouses or squirrels to take shelter there in the winter (maybe I don't know).
I live in Québec, Canada and the building code ask for R-40 minimum of insulation on the roof and we have heavy rain and snow loads to consider.
I am really motivated to experiment with natural material and try to change the way people build their house around me.

The problem with that type of roof and the roundwood is that it creates odd triangles and bumps and curved because of the uneven nature of the roundwood. It is not easy to work with conventional building techniques around a roof like that.

I show you here a wall and roof system that is used in our region with timber frame and hemp wool with wood fiber pannels to avoid thermal bridge. It's expensive but it's efficient and a pain in the ass to work on a round roof (my guess). I have also access to hempcrete, strawbales, large quantities of small diameter poles, surely cob but I didn't look for clay around yet.

Please help me.
3 days ago
Hi Douglas Campbell, I made a mistake, it is not 30’ radius but diameter. Also I added secondary posts to better support the roof.
1 week ago
Also if you have any ressources, books recommendation, community I could join to ask questions or person you know in Canada that did something similar, please tell me! Love!
1 week ago
Hi there! Brainstorming here,
I am looking to build a natural round house on the top of a hill in Québec, Canada. I read Tony Wrench's Building a Low Impact Round House and I fell in love with his vision, although, in my case I would make some changes to add longevity to the house. I have been reading a lot about Ben Law' techniques and I love them as well, especially the Woodland House.

However, my design ideas are :
-Building a 30' diameter round house with natural materials
-Rubble trench foundation bellow frost line, with a drain at the bottom, a dry stone stem wall and insulation in the soil on the outside to prevent thermal bridging (not sure where to put it exactly)
-Round wood timber frame supporting structure with a reciprocal roof of 30 degree slope with secondary posts at mid span (see preliminary sketch) with or without the window in the middle of the roof which is a big leak hazard to me.
-Earthen floor with a hydronic radiant floor system
-Living roof if possible, although I am not sure how to insulate such a roof with natural materiel, thought I am willing to spend money on a well insulated and structurally sound roof.(it can get bellow -20 degrees celcius in winter so around R-50)
-The walls made from natural, local and low cost material such as in order of interest : straw bale, cordwood, hemcrete, cob.
-Protecting the walls with 3 ft. overhang roof.
-Lime plaster finish on the exterior.

If you agree that your building is an experiment and are therefore responsible from any problem sign here : Gabriel Babin

My main design concerns right now are :
-How to sit the house on solid foundation, both he timber frame structure and the straw bale walls?
-How to link the straw bale wall with the timber frame structure and the rubble trench foundation?
-How to insulate the exterior of the rubble trench to prevent thermal bridging?
-How to properly insulate and structure the living roof over the timber frame reciprocal roof and therefore prevent water leak for 50 years or more?

Any advice or suggestion would be greatly appreciated,
Dearly Gabriel
1 week ago
Hi!
I just found your post about 4 years later. After learning about Korean hanok from the YouTube channel Wood Wood (very good by the way and makes me wanna start with that in the timber framing world) and Mr. Chickadee’s Japanese extension’s frame, which have a lot of things in common, I am very please to find this document with direction in bay lengths and design. Can’t wait to dive into it.
Did you ever try building something similar?
Ok! So the shape of the bell does not affect efficiency. The gaz go up and slowly go down as it cool down, whatever the shape. Interesting then...my project may not be that crazy after all. I love the way creativity can get in the construction of a stove like that.
3 years ago
I am a newbie here and I have a crush on round shape.
My design would be a 180 degrees spiral staircase around a batch box rocket stove.
I did some drawings with a rectangle stove with 2 bells, it’s ok but it would fit more with a round shape.
Any hint on that? I am not stuck with the batch rocket idea. Any efficient stove are interesting.
3 years ago
I’m happy to know more about that tool and that there is a less expensive way.

I am not a very experienced woodworker but I saw a Japanese woodworker use a différent method to make a 90 degrees mortise and tenon joint with round poles.

1. Make the mortise.
2. Make the tenon a bit shorter then the final result and as if it was to be inserted in squared timber.
3. Put them together.
4. Use a scribing tool to copy the curve on the tenoned pole.
5. Remove and finish the joint.

This reduces the distance between the model curve and the copy, reducing the risk of mistake. The man had no spirit level on the tool, only by sight. Does it recall something to y’all?
(I forgot to talk about span length...and a lot more, I have a lot to talk about this subject)

About span lenght:
On the ground floor, I have a unsupported span of 15 feet. I found an exemple of what my house could look like but with round wood instead.

Also, I want to do, if possible, the entire structure out of debarked round wood. I want to discover ways of using smaller diameter trees and use less wood, even at the cost of great effort. Another reason is that, to me, the natural shapes of trees are very pleasant to the eyes and appeal me beyond traditional timber framing). There are some exemples of interior of houses that integrate roundwood and strawbale wall construction.  The wood I would use  would be green, harvest from last winter OR the few last ones and stored hidden from the sun and well ventilate.
The floor support beams would be sawn on one side to make a level floor upstairs.
I like the idea of multiples small poles put next to each other to use has rafters (exemple in the video below).


I discovered Ben Law from UK. A green woodworker and a round wood timber framer with his famous cruck frame, or A frame design made from roundwood. In his book ''Round Wood Timber Framing'', he describes well the different joints he uses.  Their is a video that shows the auto-construction of his house and this video was really a inspiring to me because it was the closest to how I see my construction, its also very instructive.


The cruck frame could be a solution for me (although I don't know where I could find such long and straight trees).
It's mainly pieces that goes from the corners of the bottom floor to the higher point of the roof. My only fear is that those timbers would make quite big obstacles to the sun trying to enter the house. In fact, the sun that heat the concrete slab of my house is an important source of heat in my design. The other is wood burning from a batch box rocket stove that would also heat water to go trough the concrete slab.

I agree with the idea of Roy Long to jut overkill the minimum strength  requirement wit bigger diameter then what is asked or adding more bents to the frame.

Also, I can't just follow a chart and compare my wood with it. Checkings appearing overtime, important knots (because spruce as a lot of them as I know), tapering of wood trough the end. These are all affecting the strength of the timber. Ben Law have his general rule of thumb for his wood. He says that round timber is 50% stronger then the square milled wood you could get from it. I know that round wood has a few advantages over milled wood :

First, the round shape is stronger than the squared one.

Second, if you leave the shape of the tree as it was made, you keep the entire fiber structure and keep the tree has strong has it was standing in the forest, facing wind and bad waether. I also heard about japanese temple builders who places the round post in the same cardinal points alignement has it had standing in the woods. But that is just next level.

That said, I would not compare my wood withkiln dried, knotless, perfect wood. I would probably compare my round timbers to his equivalent once sawn.

I know that has Canadians and Americans, we have experiences with roundwood framing because of our log homes construction history. I did not find information about round wood structures and knowledge coming from log homes but I am sure there is some.
The Japanese have been using round wood also but I know only a littre about that. I am still very curious.

If you have any advise or knowleges to share, please do.
Hi there,
I am sorry for the delay. I missed my email alert because I unsubscribe to it by accident.
My researched continued about round wood timber framing. As well as my construction plan.
The idea changed a bit.
I want to build a house with a small shop and firewood storage added to the North.
I chose a salt box desing. The main house would be a two story 20” x 30” with a 10x30 added to the north. The roof as a simple 45 degrees angle.

I have choices of wood on my 33 acres of forest between spruce and fir. Many 6 and 8 inches diameter, some 10 (always talking about smaller end) going to max 18” long for some of them. I could buy some pine to get bigger trees.

Thanks for the advised, very appreciate