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For those in the United States, I can vouch for the Free Heirloom Seeds project at http://freeheirloomseeds.org/

The seed list varies from month to month. They have a very specific process to request seeds that must be followed which is explained on their website. It's an excellent resource.
Based on the photos and the information you provided, I do believe that the species is Curcubita pepo. There are more experienced squash growers here, I hope there will be other IDs.

Assuming it is a C. pepo squash: because it's not bitter, it might be worth experimenting with it as a summer squash. Also you might try baking it filled with stew or another stuffing.

You could experiment with crossing it with other squash (including pumpkins) from the same species.
6 months ago
I have a breeding project involving wild, bitter Cucurbita squash that are referred to as gourds. Possibly the same species as these.

If your squash is bitter, you would need several years to breed that out, which may not be worth the time. (Although it might be fun!) Please be careful to be familiar with Cucurbita bitterness before making any direct tests of it.

There are varieties of Curcubita pepo 'gourd squash' that are not bitter, and look just the same as the bitter versions. You might have a non-bitter gourd, which would open up culinary possibilities.
6 months ago
This may be stating the obvious, but what about using this wood to build soil?

Hugels are well regarded in this community for using wood towards that purpose.

It seems like you have picked up on a little bit of the anxiety felt by people with severe allergies. I personally have a bad allergy to some stinging insects.

As with poison ivy, I plan as best as I can and then remain observant. But coming from someone dealing with the consequences of a recent sting that occurred while driving my car, it is impossible to reduce the risk to zero if one still wants to enjoy the outdoors.

Thank you for caring about these topics. It makes things safer for folks with allergies.
7 months ago
I am very sensitive to poison ivy, and accidentally breathing it in the form of smoke is a very frightening scenario for me. If I knew any poison ivy might be burned somewhere I was visiting, I would be sure to stay away. I can imagine that being a big inconvenience for someone processing infested timber into firewood.
7 months ago
Sales are closed until December 2024.

Description
We sell "rhizome sets" of Arundinaria gigantea, North America's largest native bamboo which are wild cultivated in Eastern Kentucky. Each rhizome set is enough to establish a single planting of giant river cane and orders typically include two or more rhizome sections. Orders will completely fill a USPS "side loading" medium priority mail box sized approximately 14 x 12 x 3.5 inches. Usually this equates to several sections of rhizome that are 12-24 inches long each. The bamboo "culms" are trimmed a few inches above the rhizome.




Price and shipping
The photo at left portrays a typical order of one rhizome set after the culms have been trimmed to prepare for shipping.
Each rhizome set order costs a flat rate of $59 per rhizome set, which includes $19 for USPS priority mail packing and shipping. If you order multiple rhizome sets, each set will be shipped in it's own box with its own tracking number.

We only accept orders that will be shipped to the continental United States.

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About giant river cane
Arundinaria gigantea, giant river cane, is the largest of the three native North American bamboo species. Its native range includes the southeastern United States, west to Missouri, up the Mississippi Valley to southern Illinois and up the Ohio River to southern Ohio and Maryland. Vast canebrake ecosystems once filled river valleys here in the Central Appalachian mountains as recently as two hundred years ago composed of thousands of acres of giant river cane in low woods, areas with moist ground, and along riverbanks. Today, most of those canebrakes are gone, but river cane still grows in wild places that are hard for humans or grazing animals to reach.

The cane from Arundinaria gigantea has traditionally been used for craft and agricultural purposes. The variety of uses for river cane exceed the space available to list, but the Wikipedia articles for Arundinaria and Arundinaria gigantea are one starting point.

How big does it grow? How fast does it grow?

In our experience, this species tops out at about 20 feet. In diameter, the thicker culms are up to about three quarters of an inch; stout enough individually to serve as a fishing pole or a beanpole, but not strong enough to serve structural purposes.

Arundinaria bamboos primarily reproduce vegetatively through leptomorphic (running) rhizome growth. Arundinaria expand slowly compared to the most famously invasive running bamboo, but under good circumstances, this cane could become invasive as well, so select your site thoughtfully.

Order fulfillment
We dig and ship about once per week from the beginning of sales until the last frost in our area, usually around May 1. The rhizomes will be shipped within 24 hours of being dug to ensure their viability. You will receive an email the day your rhizomes are shipped so that you can prepare to receive your order.


Planting the rhizome set
Please plant your rhizome set as soon as possible, and until then, keep the rhizomes from drying out completely. If you need to wait more than a day or two to plant the rhizomes, "heel them in" to a temporary site outdoors, or in a cool indoor location like a garage, as you might a bare root tree.

Arundinaria gigantea is part of the grass family, and it may help to think of site selection and care in that way as a starting point. It can tolerate some shade, but does need a regular supply of sun and moisture. Don't plant your cane directly in a wetland, but find a site that is regularly moist without being saturated by water.

To plant your rhizome set:
  • Remove an area of soil approximately the same size as the package, then loosen the soil in the bottom of the planting area.
  • Place the rhizomes in this area, orienting the culms upward.
  • Cover the rhizomes with soil. Ensure at least an inch of packed soil above all sections of the rhizome. You may need to mound soil over the site to cover all sections.
  • You may find it convenient to place small stones along the rhizomes to help them conform to the new site if you find them bending upward and out of the soil. We suggest limiting the weight of each stone to a pound or two.

  • About wild cultivation
    Please be aware that these rhizomes are intentionally not grown in sterile conditions or soil. They are grown outdoors in USDA climate zone 6b in their natural habitat. During packaging, we remove loose soil along with any other visible plants that were growing along the rhizomes.

    How fast will they grow?
    For at least a year, your bamboo planting will be mostly underground and we suggest using flags or another marker to ensure the small cane culms aren't lost or accidentally mowed down. In their native environment, transplanted rhizomes will grow new culms that are approximately six to eight inches tall by the end of their first year, so choose a marker that will last until at least the second year when you can expect them to reach two or three feet in height. While the rhizomes are becoming established, you should plan to weed around the site periodically to ensure it isn't overrun by established or more invasive species.

    Return Policy
    We will not accept returns nor offer refunds. However if your river cane arrives safely from USPS but is not viable, we will ship one replacement rhizome package for the cost of shipping rounded up to the nearest whole dollar amount. We will only ship one replacement per customer or order.

    About Us
    Your purchase supports a homestead farm and family cemetery in Appalachia. Mark is a theater artist and nonprofit administrator from the Eastern Kentucky. Much of his professional work involves community-led food and agriculture programs. The farm has a focus on supporting citizen-led ecology, sustainability, and responsible wild harvesting practices.
    8 months ago

    Jerry Ward wrote:just found this thread.  I'm in S.E. MI (zone 6a).  Will this grow in my area?



    I would think so but I'm not familiar with your region, so let me offer you some perspectives on its cold hardiness. If you think these temperature ranges fit your area, I will include you in the guarantee.

    I'm also attaching an map for A. gigantea from the Biota of North America Program showing its native range (all three highlighted colors on this map indicate the native range). This gives me the sense you are probably in a suitable area (and possibly even within a part of its native range that hasn't been mapped), but also that you might be near the cold edge of its suitable climate.

    During the winter at our farm, the temperatures regularly go down to about 5 degrees Fahrenheit. A few nights a year there may be overnight lows down to -5F here but it is uncommon.

    These temperatures do not bother the Arundinaria gigantea.

    Some of the resources about A. gigantea I find online report hardiness down to -5 or -9 Fahrenheit. That sounds about right to me.

    How does this sound in light of your climate and conditions?
    8 months ago
    I will continue accepting orders until at least 11:50pm eastern time on May 5, but probably a little longer than that.

    When I reset the price back to $9,999 per order, that will be the sign that sales are done for the season. Until then, please do free to place an order.
    8 months ago
    I've filled orders placed through April 29, but unfortunately I was not able to get any additional photos showing how much goes into an order.

    The main reason being I trim the culms and pack them into boxes, and it happens out of the back of my vehicle along an unpaved road. This is relevant because I couldn't find a backdrop to place the rhizomes on where they didn't blend ambiguously into the soil or turf or dirt road below them in the photo.

    If I want to do this I should bring a big sheet of cardboard or something similar so that it's possible to clearly see the rhizomes.

    That said, I was thrilled to find a very promising clue about propagating this species. In reading the literature on A. gigantea and getting advice on propagation, I have heard speculation that it might be possible to propagate giant river cane by bending a culm down to the ground and weighing it down with a rock. Some bamboo species will reportedly root into the ground when treated this way, but the literature on Arundinaria doesn't include anything about it.

    I noticed a few culms being held tightly against the soil by a large fallen limb, and I could clearly distinguish new root development at the nodes. I would guess the culms were held against the ground 6-10 months but I'm not expert enough to really say.

    I'm looking forward to experimenting with this in the future. It seems like once a planting has reached the stage of growth where it has several healthy culms, this process could increase the rate that it expands. I haven't grown other bamboo, but I do get the impression that Arundinaria gigantea is among the slower growers in its category.
    8 months ago
    I'm grateful to have received several orders. Yesterday I thought I would be able to do some digging, but bands of heavy rain thwarted me.

    I did get a chance to take a few photos of the edge of the patch where I am digging rhizomes this year. I'm also planning to take a few more photos portraying the amount of rhizomes that go into each priority mail box, if I don't forget. I am trying to develop better habits about photographing work while it's in-progress.

    As you can see in one of these In this case, River Cane does grow almost all the way down to the creek. Usually it stays in the floodplain above the creek or river where its roots don't stay wet. Maybe it gets close to the creek here because it's relatively small, and it is growing down a fairly steep slope.
    8 months ago