I'm sadly disappointed I thought this was a thread on Sepp holzer's pig wallowing technique's of using an excavator vibrafloatation style to create pond's and larger ponds "dam's". I've only been a typing participant to the site for 10 minutes, but a reader since forever and a day.
My question is when did this all spiral into opinionation? I didn't know so many cultures came from the same land. I was so happy to see someone quote from rainwater harvesting, rather from their own imagination of how water hydrology works.
I do my best to read an entire thread before even considering entering into debate, it's wisest to know allot about something if you plan on disagreeing with it. I think the hydrology subject that really attracted the brunt of falacious viewpoint's was that of " if you dam the stream you'll cut my water over. Now let's state a categorical limitation on what we mean by dam's, ponds. We do not mean "barrier Dam" do people even know the are different style's of dam's that have all sort's of different effect's on the landscape? P.A Yeoman author of "water for every farm" <-- Authority by Experience not by Authoritarianism state's were talking about 5 million liter's or less is a small dam. That's right 5 megalitre's = small dam
Let's toss around a few statement's I'm going to limit myself to , Bill Mollison, P.A. and Sepp. In order for the debate to avoid the pitfall's of rhetoric.
-A full dam is 100% runoff -Vegetative catchment is the only true erosion control, only way to manage evaporation over rainfall - Swale's feed Dam's, Dam's feed Swales - 15% or more of your landscape should be in water. - P.A Yeoman states "there shouldn't be any bloody runoff your property" <---- very few designer's achieve this.
Run that last statement through the mind "without commenting" what would happen if I managed to capture all the water that flowed into my property. It doesn't take long to realize you would have a massive network of underground water developing into a perennial springs downslope. By the time my neighbor got to my house to shoot me over cutting off his "intermittent" <--entropic water flow, I would have enough water to guarantee him water for life. "Granted I followed my permaculture directives" You build dam's at the end of the dry season beginning of the wet season, hence nobody would even know I did it, and nobody would know why the steam never dried up.
Next man who say's if I block the stream I'm getting shot is going to dye of dehydration.
I didn't write this to make a point, get my ideology on deck, or to see my name in the forum's
I'm simply banging my fist on the table, trying to call some order to a group that hopes to present to the world permaculture directives as the solution's to man's disfunction with nature. Cuzz at this point if I ever see Sepp's name being toss around with "dirty water thief" and guy who's name is in the thread subject but isn't discussed in the thread, I dunno maybe i'll go down to my pond and eat a patch of Giant Hogweed and down it with a glass of water hemlock. Cuzz there are more people talking about permaculture by far than seem to have any basic academic standard's to adhere by when entering into a forum of debate that require's a high degree of logic and reason to be at all meaningful.
Now can someone please say they've at least tried to slosh around in a pond like me with an excavator hoping to build a pond based on a 3 second clip of Sepp swinging his arm back and forth in one of Paul's video's to explain how he makes ponds. That's right I almost fliped a bobcat the day before trying to turn 72 frame's of "Austrian Sage gold" into a vibraflotation technique, I think the saddest part is after i tried it with the excavator it worked 80% and now my duck's live in a natural wetland swamp instead of a boring patch of moss.
Cuzz I sure had my hopes up when i clicked "Sepp making lakes"
A couple of factor's not to forget about our good friends the termite.
- In the tropic's termite are the worms that create soil. - Termites make better compost than you do - Termites eat mushrooms/fungus that fruit off that compost.
If the marriage between the lattitude's where hugelkulture predominate and where termite and ant's dominate soil creation, you have one of the main reason's for hugelbeet bed's gone wild. The hole structure and layering of the bed is dedicated to being able to keep a frost free core to the soil year round. If nobody was home in those mounds because we wanted to save our carbon for I dunno what, Sepp wouldn't be harvesting potatoes in February.
On the topic of termite's emptying your bed of carbon and leaving you with a great hole, I can't see how it would work that way, in the temperate to frosting subtropic's you would simply be attracting the entire colony to move into your sweet warm food everywhere pad. Benefit #2 you would rapidly be converting that carbon as the termite's would be composting on your behalf 24/7. In the tropic's I don't need the heat, but I would love to turn a stump into soil in 6 months. In the worse case if I'm complete wrong and they are hugelrobbing, pen off some chicken's with the hugelbeet bed and kiss feeding them grain goodbye.
One of the main way's to feed poultry in the tropic's is to bury a 55 gallon barrel with wet newspaper give it a few good gashes in the side first, then shovel out termit's by the bucketload's for your chook's till your out of paper. Rinse and repeat, ok don't rinse just add more carbon. I wish I had termite's working on my behalf in the temperate, i'd seed them into my bed's if I could, look at the size of their ventilation system above ground. The unruly micro climate heat coming out of those underground chamber's is lawless, I would plant a high durability timber tree right through their colony and let the root's down into that compost.
Very Durable 25+ year's in the ground untreated. There are plenty of termite resistant timber's dead or alive, my problem to date is in jamaica 90% of my mound's are Arboreal so I have to encourage to chicken height with a machete, ground mound's chicken's will scratch themselves.