When i lived in the desert of Joshua Tree, we had a very real heat problem. The flatish roof was covered in the tar and pebbles of yesteryear. It worked very well with the wind and harsh conditions. However, between 3pm and midnight, we could feel the stored heat coming from the roof in the house and above if you were on the roof.
A 110 F this is a major problem.
So, being a midwesterner, i found the solution.
Now everyone will scream I am wasting water. Yes and no. Grey water got used up and POOF! it was amazing ow well it worked. It would literally steam right off. Especially in the evening once the sun went below the mtn tops, a quick spray and problem went away. Thus less waste w the swamp cooler or ac unit.
First of all. I have let a lot of things go. This thread was one of them. I apologise. I got stuck back in the city again. No regrets, but time to back to my farm house.
I am selling one property to buy a different one. Lots of finagling to be sure. I found out a farmer has been bleeding into some of my field. He knows it but is acting he does not know,...whatever.
A new survey as soon as I can afford it. Then we re-fence. Popa knows how to put in a straight fence.
So, I got my canning in. We smoked a few hams and yes, it was sad to butcher them. But, as my parents always said to us in the fall. "They had the best lives a pig can expect." Same with all the other livestock. Usually my dad would look at one of us kids and say, "he looks ready for the hook," or something like that. Lol, thus teasing who would be dinner. Lol, mom and dad always put a bit of the spin on it all. A good life, a quick and swift kill, not the torture the industrial farms do. Cutting them before they are dead. Cows scream as they are cut up are not dead.
Usually a moment of silence after we killed them. Let the spirit leave. Be thankful and lest we be wasteful. Then the hoisting and cutting begin. Thank God for this fine animal to be our food.
In an indigenous tribe in Africa, they kill the beast with a poison arrow. As it is dying, the hunter apologises to the animal. Thanking it as it dies. Lets it die as best can be done.
So kids, whats new in your worlds. I am tickled pink the thread is still here. I am single men. Lol, planning to stay that way I think. Dogs are old now, almost 14. Life is good. Crops did okish. Lets see how my flax does nest year. Locally we have Equine Encephalitis. They want to spray this week the region. I am against it. Just kills the planet more.
Paul,, as my one grandmother would say, "I am too busy to attend to silly people." She would smile and me and do as good people do, carry on. This whole thing I have watched from afar. Why? I have stuff to do. Carry on big guy and it will fade away. Good luck man.
SO, I have a small field I am rehabbing from corn/soy production. Any input. I have oats for forage to sow there. I got a bag from a guy. I want to do biomass like waste and leaves. Any input kids? BTW, welcome to the group. I often wonder if our posts get noted, but hey we are here and working hard.
Whats is new this spring for anyone? Lets hear it.
It is a balmy mid 30s here in Mitten of Michigan. Raining actually. Will be in the low 40s all week and sunny to cloudy I hear and read. So much to do. Had a job interview yesterday in town. Very adversarial. He actually questioned if a man my age can do the work. For real. I wasted half a day over this twit. Age is a very real problem when looking for work. Also recently i was asked in more than one job application my age, race and some other too personal stuff. That is the world we now live in.
I told my partner all my years of education are now worthless. Age is the next big discriminator. My partner tells me stories of older friends of his who being forced out of their jobs.
As the world burns everyone seems to be playing the fiddle.
Just put in a wood stove in my little house. Lol, a second set of hands was needed. My brother, who was also forced out of a job recently, helped. Good time spent with my brother. Just us old guys.
Well, its time to make the big decisions. I have a leg on the farm and a leg in the city. There are no jobs in the rural areas, or should I say few? Anyway I am spending the week here in the city working. Weekend at the farmstead. Last week, I found a lot of stuff had been stolen. Funny, I told the township supervisor I was coming out and I was robbed the next day before I got there.
Someone wants me to sell so bad. Prime location for some building lots for wealthy people. I will not sell. Period. I will sow it with salt first.
Getting ready to plan for next year. New fencing and security about to be installed. Got ideas myself.
SO the bigger question is this is this,... Does anyone feel like they are being targeted over political and or lifestyle by vandals and thieves? I think true thieves should have severe punishments. Just a personal opinion.
So I am putting in some trees soon. Not sure where. But some old producers. I want to see a 100-year-old apple tree in 100 years my kin can harvest from. My new fences will also produce raspberries and other tasty berries that are thorny. I look forward to people enjoying that as they try to trespass. Building for my kids and their kids.
My house n Detroit is about to be put on the market. I was mugged in front of the house a few weeks ago. Called a faggot and was knocked out by gang members. I have some broken teeth and still memory problems. The police never did much or care. Homophobic assholes. One cop was laughing. It is time to devote my full attention to our rural farm rich people want to buy the land. Maybe time to get pigs. Tasty and cute fellas they are.
Looking forward to doing more planting. The ground there waits to be used. What I planted this spring did so darn well. Darn well.
Hey everyone. How did everyone survive the heat and summer. Glad fall is around the corner here. About to do my late crop of cabbage and stuff like. I was able to get a patch of flax and rye this year. Potatoes were a mixxed bag. Some did great, others meh,... Overall good stuff.
Lets tell each other how good or bad we did. I did well with my organic compost. Never used any fertilizer. A little lime is about all. I will be getting back a acre from a the farmer who planted gmo soy on it w the roundup issue. I look forward to rehabbing the soil. Already the hawk nests above us are empty. It was an amazing summer. My weekend at the land were amazing.
I park my old truck in front of the doors. Locked and battery out if I am gone for a spell. I have lost thousands to theft. Actually, odds are it is someone you know. I still think these career criminals need to be delt with.
Anyway maybe it is time to rethink all of this. Good luck.
Has the ground been over used? Is it new tilled? I would do rye or hay. Also, see if one of the feedlots near you have poo. Horse stables always do. You can compost but the beauty of horse poo is often it has a lot of seeds ready to help you out!!! In the old days we would just spread it out and let it happen. As we used it on production fields we had to let it compost for a year just because of the seed issues. Just old ways of doing it. The straw and matter will help your field quickly. Waste organic matter like leaves and wood from the local town also if you can haul. I do not know how bad or good your ground is. Good luck. MAybe the ground needs to rest a year or so. Hay or cover crop mix and or pasture it.
Lets be frank. New York has stringent electrical codes. ALWAYS for the health and safety of others USE THE NEWEST CODES and Regulations. Local inspectors love to see people go to code. We have electrical codes for a reason. The reason,...the dead bodies of adults, children, animals and destroyed property.
The latest LED still uses amps/watts/voltage. Enough to easily kill and destroy. It is this simple. Even here on the family farms where we can do things differently in some respects, we still strive for code. It does not cost more and is safe. Its that simple. If electrical is to code, you cant get sued either.
In my residential I insist on 12 gauge still in typical 15/20 amp circuts. Why? Wires over burdened will get hot. They get warm during normal use. Especially in certain weather conditions. I would rather have the safe factor! I insist on top grade circuit panels also. Why? There are vast differences between builder grade and best grade electrical panels. It does not cost that much to have better wires, electrical panels, new drops and fixtures appropriate for the situation.
Also, most LED lights and fixtures are made good enough to work.....good enough...means you must be better.
Now for the kicker.
If you are considering low voltage remember it still can kill you. Use appropriately. There is code for low voltage and different applications.
Wire if for a lifetime and the next person who will live in the situation. Talk to your local inspectors and get a good rep. Get coded. Get it right. Good luck.
Terry, thats great. I will assume you have mixed topography. Awesome. Send us some pictures of your stuff.
Water is life. My old farmhouse, at the old one, I had to drop a new well. The water here is vast, free and abundance. Well until the multinationals suck us dry. My other place the old well is actually in the kitchen. A stick well we call them. I need to change the screen. That will be a fun project. The long-term tenant did a lot of damage to the house. Ignorant people chimneys and walls moved. Will take a lot of work.
I have some land I need to let rest as it has been corn and beans for a long time. I think I will do some cover or a grain like rye. I have some ideas. Flax is on the agenda this year. Some small plots. See what works best. Chickens a definite.
Dude, drainage and venting the small space under the house. It needs to breathe. Your home was never meant to be airtight. Its on a foundation and or pilings. The water can sit in the soil and will only wick up wood or such. Proper venting of the under the structure. Drainage away a bit from the structure. Simple. Good luck.
Welcome man. I once lived in the California desert, think Joshua Tree, and did time in the northern Cascades. Lovely area. We were studying climate change, doing certain metrics. Welcome. SO, how are your crops going? Whats your animal choices as you mentioned them. How are you using your land? BTW a floating city. Tell us all more!
The old farmer known as Mom, says that for true production they would harvest the roots and replant. Mainly space and ground issues. However, in the garden, she says it can be indefinite but they moved them for disease and they just did better. Fair enough. Asparagus is not her fav product so she did not dwell on it. Dad said his mom planted under certain trees and then in the summer used it as flower beds. between the rows of fern. Hmmmmm I wonder if there was a relationship? My relatives threw out all her notes. Sorry, I cant do more for you. The ferns are nice. I remember walking among them as a kid.
I will note. Waste from the barn (composted a year) and kitchen went into those beds.
Whatever you think currently, it is part of the future. Like it or not. Already we grow perfect veg over vats in warehouses. SOld at a perfect price and called organic. YEa, it is like that. If a useless wall of glass and concrete can be used as green spaces or production of food or just oxygen, we are saving the world in one more step. Most of you do not comprehend cities of 50 million,...100 million. I do as I have inhabited them. So yes, if it can produce something for humans I am all for it.
Our space habitats will prove the point. This argument goes the way of sliding doors.
Remember Star Trek? The sliding doors. Oh all these scientists told us it would never happen here on earth. Too much energy, foolish science fiction stories. Yea, just stupid.
I walk past many many automatic sliding doors all day long.
Our megastructures can and will be the greenhouses of the future. The same BTU's can and are being used double purposed. Spaces in normal weather condition in and outside of the megastructures. Can and MUST be utilized to grow and produce products. If not for the air itself and enjoyment, then for food and creation of jobs. Better mental space and to bring the masses back to the reality.
I drive past and do stuff in such structures. If not in them, then on the grounds. Face it kids. 8 billion hungry people will very very soon be 10 billion. The changes in the weather and our dynamic universe,.....well can be our doom or a pleasant future. Embrace it. Permiculture is the cornerstone of this. THINK! It is part of our future. Like it or not.
Well, I did it! I will be rehabbing a house built in 1865. One of the original farm homes in the area. Sadly the farmland went for much more than I can afford. Still, we have a few acres here to play and grow with. Looking forward to living here. We need to put a temp roof on it. She slopes, she sags but is proud and is stable. I jumped on all the floors. She is like a rock. No neighbors and a quiet road. Still, Smitten for the Mitten. Going to be more involved now.
Well, your best friend is the guy or gal at city hall that approves fences and such. In my city and township, I know these people. I go to the building dept. Nicely explain you need to put up a fence. Explain the problem. Nicely, no drama. Explain you want to bring your hood, be secure. Clean and improve. You can farm, but you need to keep it tidy in such a small space.
Begin to look nice and go to city council meetings. Meet your police, fire, and other people who work for the city. Be friendly and helpful and say good things about improving your property and neighborhood. Don't be fake, be sincere.
Find out your local code about fences. Chat them code people up, casually ask what kind of plan does the city have? Is there a look, a goal, what would they like to see? Be involved. You chose to live in a suburban/urban environment. You have to play the game. For the good of course. Adjust your mindset.
Now, you will play divide and win.
You need a secure fence. Period. You have a little room. Just put in a secure fence. If they come past your fence, it is their bad. Not yours. Police and code like people who are trying to improve things. BE that! I would not hesitate to put up the 5-6 ft fence. Keep them out. NOW! These people who are giving you grief will. You get the people at the city on your side, they can do a lot. Including condemning their property. Now, that would be a shame. YOU have a people problem. Do not give them an egress. Don't be a fool. They are your enemy. Thye will break in, steal, kill, burn anything they can. They are hostile. This is the reality of our nation now.
I know a bit about SW WI. The city will like quick action and positive improvements on YOUR property. In a way, that is your best weapon. Frankly, you need to fence the entire perimeter in some way at least 4 ft to avoid liability of people on your property. Good luck. Also, until you move in, cover and nail shut all windows. Leave nothing to be stolen. Because these people, friends and or other neighbors will look for opportunity. They are watching you closely.
Also, at city hall, find out who is responsible for what fence on what side of your property. Here in Detroit. I own and am responsible for my one fence to the back of my lot and the one side. The neighbor to the other side owns and is responsable for that fence or lack of a fence. The city once again is your best resource. Just ask lots of questions. Good luck.
Excellent job folks. How are your crops doing? Whats new? Is anyone having issues with zoning? Zoning needs to be a big issue in our state with elections coming up. Homes too small, urban farming, off grid and many issues we need to address at the state level.
Lets get a dialog going. Dog days of summer are here. Woof! And howl at the moon everyone.
I think we all need to have a meeting and talk about our issues and get active.
Hi guys. I dropped a new well here in MI. The old well pit I am converting to a hand pump. Yes, the county is letting me. So, I need to build a well/pump house. Mainly for the pressure tank and stuff. The house has a 6-inch crawl space. Home to garden snakes and I am happy they are there.
So, I would like this to double as a tornado shelter. Any ideas kids?
Paul, are we being antisocial again? I got that note from my teacher every year. K to 12.
I am joking. Sort of. As tyrant/leader/king of the hill and so forth, you can do as you wish in your ant farm fiefdom. As we are very lucky to live is a SECULAR FREE SOCIETY people can come and go as they please. Also, with that said I will say this. Fences make great neighbors.
I lived in my first commune back in the 80's. I was young. Some were and some were not. Luckily we had amazing leadership and few ironclad rules. This commune is one of the oldest I know of to this day. Being from a large farm family that was ruled with an iron fist by my mother, the lady we called Hitler, I was accustomed to the needs of the many before the few. Also of draconian leadership. This lifestyle is not for the weak of heart. Rural life is hard. It is harder to live with other and under the rules of one man or woman. Rules we may not agree upon. Ideologies clash. Ideas not agreed upon. I am almost 50 years old. I could never live under the rule of another man or woman at this point of my life. I am not a sheep nor am I a predator. I do not desire power of the taste of human blood. Unless thine is mine enemy.
Living in rural poverty is very difficult. I know all about it.
I am not a special snowflake. I am a man. Everyone needs to man up here. Suck it up, put up, shut up or move on. So simple.
I do business with a lot of individuals in rural Michigan and in the city of Detroit. Its like the wild west in Detroit, guns and all. Many, many men and woman I like during the day I could never live with, let alone permaculture or commune with. I am the captain of my ship and I steer it as best I can. I think I do a damn good job. Paul, as captain of your empire, sail as you wish. Only you will have a successful journey or crash into the reefs and shoals only to sink. THAT is what men do. If a few or many decide to be let off at a port. Everyone should wish each other well and carry on.
Good luck everyone. Rock on Paul.
Everyone needs to watch Little House on the Prarie and have their Laura moments. Lol and keep perspective.
I dont know the MIGHTY PAUL very well. But what I feel is that everyone who is not a douche is welcome. I started this thread a long time ago. I think someday it will be a very popular one. One that spreads the love of our world. SO welcome sister and anyone who wants to post positive stuff and talk about the land, gardens and permaculture. Our planet is dying. It can be reversed. So can other ignorance.
I dont like men that manscape, yuk. That is my personal taste and frankly, I am too lazy to trim my beard let alone the softer areas. As for the ladies. It is all about how YOU want to interact with the other women. Women dress for other women. Not guys. Guys dont care for the most part. Why? We are pigs. Now us gay guys dress women because we do value you for all those things the other guys generally put on the lower part of the list. My point. You will have to interact with other women and we all know that is a disaster at all times in the making. Will you become a target? Is this the venue to make a stand? Will it bother the bride and her followers?
Frankly, I just talked to some of my gal pals. They said if you go hairy the guys will go ga ga over you. See above about pigs.
It is all about the girls ma'am and how do you want to deal with them. Established fashion or personal fashion. It can be anything you want. What do you want is the question to ask?
Now culturally I know many women who do NOT shave, at all and do just fine. My doctor is from the old country and she wears stockings over hairy legs. She does do her lip. Here in Michigan, I know many Arab men/women who scape all summer just for what they think is hygienic reasons. Many other men and women in other culture sets do the same. Some even have religious overtones. Then there is the kink side...but that is not what this is about. Or is it? Just askin?
As it is her special day ask the bride. It is her day. Have that honest woman to woman moment. A conversation that may be amazing and result in a better climate so to say. Have fun. I love weddings.
Hi everyone. Here in the Midwest spring was late for many of us and early for others. Is any new stuff going on? We are planting late. I am also getting some heirloom apples in. Whats new, dont be shy! Hey, I have been having trouble with this thread. Anyone else?
Hi! It is an old thread. SO am I! I am still splitting my time between Detroit and Kalamazoo County. This year I push the envelope and get urban chickens and plant more. BTW, welcome to Michigan those from NJ.. The land of lots of good stuff. Whats new anyone? Lots of small organic and natural farms popping up! Good. Fracking is still a problem. As is the rape of the state by multinationals for our water and other resources.
I feel you have lots of possibility. You should have lots of afternoon sun. Cabbages and beans grow on extended ends of seasons. Carrots and other like crops can be very dense and prolific. be creative. It is easy to rotate early, late and short term crops. Also hot beds and hoops can extend especially in your area the seasons.
Improve your ground. Try some mini chickens or quail. Rabbits. Just a thought. Also containers hanging from your windows.
Time, time is everything and so is clean. I think we are looking at this as a broad statement. I use my dishwasher. Not ashamed. I work two jobs, go to school and still cook daily. The dishwasher saves me an hour a day. I do my pots every day or two. when I load up the dishwasher after I do pots.
The also big gorilla is clean. I have to scald my dishes. Why? I have pets and they eat off the plates. I have separate plates but they need clean too. I get enough germs at work and play thank you. So do they. I also like to say this. I do entertain a lot of people at times. If someone has Hep C or something I like to be sure we have cleaned the utensils. Not hateful, just cautious. Unless you have a true sterilization system heat/steam or a three sink system it is something to consider.
I have traveled the world. One thing that is true is good sanitation and food handling skills. People stopped dying in the streets when safe food handling was learned and taught. Most of you get a C- in this dept. Sorry, the truth hurts. A Kosher Kitchen is a subject to learn from. There is a reason they boil knives that cut meat. It is not always germs we are trying to destroy also.
Now, one more thing. I do not like a lot of the new dishwashers. They dont use a heat dry. If they do not heat the water up to 160, a good heat dry will accomplish the same thing. Many of the new dish detergents do not use a bleach. I have ran loads that I flt were not clean enough. If you get a stink out of your dishwasher. There is a systematic failure.
I also like to point out that many people run the water heaters at too low a setting and they breed bacteria. Clock them up once in a while and get them cleaned up. There is a reason one should never drink hot water out of many taps.
My gosh, I can not believe I spent time on this this morning.
Frankly, you have industrial. Agri needs that a solar project will reduce but not eliminate your energy needs. You swap source for source. The pay off and self suficency is doabe.
I did a project for the parents family farm. Your energy usage is about the same I will assume. It was still a grid tie in system to our energy co-op. It would take 20+ years to pay off the investment. Now that was using tech from two years ago and also producing biofuel to power generation as it built up.
The cost saving came from two areas. Energy efficiency improvements and knowing that the majority of the power was "sold" back to the utility during the day. Of the three versions we did. One made the house and small shop with energy storage. This included heat from the sun used to heat in sunny winter days and a battery bank.
The big shop and barns were grid tie in only.
The third version was on site generation, storage and no grid tie in. A farm 120 years ago had no electricity. Life was very, very different. Your brooder would be powered by hens and candles. Just saying.
My mom vetoed them as she likes her clean electric heat and no wood stove. She is almost 80 and deserves her convenience. Think of your old age while doing your plans. Just saying again.
My suggestion is this. Start small. Work your way into it. Get new chest freezers and dump the uprights. They just consume too much energy. Go oil/wood and gas for heat. Biomass and Solar is not just for electricity. The well is tricky. I think everyone should have a windmill and hand pump if you can.
You can do it. Go in steps and be realistic. Start w the house and see how it goes.