We have thought about using them for fence posts and I will have to check into renting a chipper. We also have several that are old growth so they are quite large. I have even thought about checking around to see if I could work out a deal with someone to remove a lot of the trees and let them have the larger ones that could be milled as part of the payment. It will take a while but I'll find something to do with them!
Thanks for the link Dave! Hopefully that will help to point me in the right direction. I get the feeling I will become good friends with the university libraries! Interest in Permaculture has grown here in Oklahoma but like you said, there is still so much to learn and of course you can't know everything about the intricacies of each location. The ERC has become so prolific here that some of our state legislators want to take steps to help eradicate it or at least get it under better control. With the drought the last couple of years they have become a high fire danger.
With this being prairie country we tend to see them growing in clumps. The love to grow along fence lines and you will often see them spread out in open fields. Our native oaks seem to grow well with them as that is what we primarily have on our property. I get the feeling a lot of it may come down to experimentation. I will have to look at native species to see what may be tolerant there. We have six acres so I have room to plant in some other areas, which I had planned to do anyway. This particular stretch of the ERC may have to be my little science experiment! Hopefully one day I'll have some good info to share with everyone.
I'm hoping you or someone on the forum can help me with this question. We live in central OK and we have a lot of Eastern Red Cedar on our property. There is an ideal area through the middle of our property where I would like to put a food forest but my concern is the cedar. This part of our property has a lot of cedar and oak. We would like to remove most if not all of the cedars partly because of the fire hazard they pose during droughts but also because they are allopathic. My question is, when we begin to remove the cedars how long do we need to wait before planting new trees or should we go ahead and begin planting? Could we start planting some things now before we start removing trees or will the cedars inhibit other plant growth? I know cedars should not be used in Hugel Kultur beds but if they have been aged would be they safe to use? We don't want to waste the wood and would like to find a use for much of it. Thanks for your help!
I recently acquired some Top Hat Blueberry bushes so I was glad to see this thread. I looked up some info about Little Bluestem which is a prairie grass. This variety gets about 2-3 feet tall. From what I could find it is a clump forming grass that is drought tolerant. One website I looked at said most of the roots grow almost vertically down to a comparable depth of shade trees. It likes a pH of 5.6 to 6.5 and grows in Zones 3-9. We live in Oklahoma so this would be a native grass here but I thought I would suggest it in case it would be useful.
I was just wondering if there are any Permies on here in the central OK area. We are near Shawnee on 6 acres. We have expanded the garden this year by putting in Hugel Kultur beds and we are using the same concept in our raised beds. I have started thinking about putting in a food forest but we have a lot of cedars that would need to be removed. It will get there eventually but I wish we could do things faster!
I have wondered many of the same things since I took my PDC a few years ago. My goal is to teach Permaculture full time but I'm not sure how to get there. We are talking about trying our hand at a micro nursery next year. I'm also thinking of putting together an Intro to Permaculture class, just so I can start to get my feet wet and see what kind of interest there is. Permaculture is not well known here although there is some interest. In the meantime we are continuing to work on our own Permaculture projects and listening to all of Paul's podcasts.
We decided to try a hugel kultur bed for our potatoes this year. The bed is 17 feet long but we only built it up to about 2 feet tall. I know Paul prefers them much taller but I plan on adding more soil after we harvest. They are growing really well and we have been using leaves to mulch them. Hopefully we will have a better year this year than we did last year.
That leaf is gorgeous! I can see how that would make a beautiful pattern for a garden. I was actually thinking the same thing before I got to the end of your post. If you ever get the garden done I would love to see pics!
Thanks guys! The area I am thinking about runs the width of our property which is about an acre or so wide. So it would be about an acre in length and about 50 feet wide. This area is heavy in cedars and wraps around the side of our property up to the house. We probably have around 100 cedars to take out. Many are small but there are few that are 1-3 feet in diameter. We are thinking about using these when we get ready to build our house as support posts where they can be seen so we can enjoy the beauty of the wood. This is such a large area that once it is all planted, we would have more than enough for ourselves and our animals. Once the trees are cut down, would it be best to get a stump grinder to grind down the stumps?
I am thinking about putting in a food forest on our property but I had a couple of questions I was hoping you guys could help me with. We have a section of trees between our house and our pond that I think would make a good area for a food forest but there are several cedars in there. We have already talked about taking out the cedars and leaving the oaks that have been growing for a long time. I know cedars have an allopathic effect and I was wondering what would need to be done to the soil to get other plants to grow there once they are removed. Of course many of the cedars are large so they will have extensive root systems. Unfortunately we have a lot of red cedar growing on our property and we plan on removing many of them simply because of the fire hazards they present. There is also a wet weather creek bed that goes through that part of the property and the land gently slopes back to that area so when it rains the water flows back to the pond and the creek bed. Any info you guys can offer is greatly appreciated!