Glenn Herbert wrote:
What purpose do you intend for this stove? It is pretty small for more than direct heating of one pot.
Here's an image. I'm not sure why that link won't work. As soon as I try to use it, it's like my file disappears and I have to recreate the link.
I think the riser will be about the right height ratio according to what you're saying. I didn't really explain everything very well.
As for the baffles, point taken.
As for the L tube combustion feeding backwards, I was thinking about creating a J tube configuration with a wood "cage" so it can be self feeding without creating a chimney on the wrong side. I've also seen a very elegant solution which is to put a heatsink on the feed side of the combustion chamber so there is a definite cooling on one side and a direction for the heat and smoke to go. I can see why a cobb stove would eventually uniformly heat up and then cause a backdraft. I believe the heatsink should resolve this.
Insulating the chimney will also help with this. It's not in the drawing because I'm not good enough at Fusion yet.
The purpose of this stove is for cooking. I live in an apartment, and I'm hoping to be able to cook with a small amount of resources and without heating up our place in the summer.
I'm hoping to make a stove which burns efficiently enough, that I won't get complaints from my neighbors.
I'm guessing that a rocket stove will burn more efficiently than a charcoal stove for instance. I also want to be better prepared for power outages.
I'm planning on building a rocket stove with it very shortly. And when I say very shortly, I mean all the parts are cut, cleaned and ready to be welded, but before I do that, I thought I should ask here.
I've never seen anyone use this configuration of tubing. Has anyone had success or failures with it?
My current configuration is about a 14" riser with a 45 cut on the bottom and a 8" feed tube.
I'm also thinking I can either drill holes beside the combustion chamber and put a baffle there to regulate air and/or I can run the air up the side instead of underneath. I'm leaning towards having the air feed come up the side.
By the way, theres a new movie out called "into the forest" with Ellen Page, who is recently a fellow permie.
It is not a feel good movie, it gets super hella dark, so please don't think you're going into a nice permie movie if you watch it. I haven't because I'm pretty sure I know mostly everything that happens on the dark side and I don't really want to learn anything new.
Anyway, that just popped into my head as I flipped on my apple TV and saw that come up.
Sorry if this is too off topic. I just thought (post-mass-famine movie) <--> (permies)...not really the same thing, but possibly interesting...\_(ツ)_/¯
Disclaimer: there are people reading this forum who are WAY more knowledgable about literally everything I'm talking about in here. This is just my perspective which I'm always willing to admit is wrong if proven so. Also any of these hypotheticals go down the drain the moment you have to flee due to violence, fires, hurricanes, lack of resources, etc. The honest truth about who survives a near extinction level event like that is it all comes down to who is consistently at the right place at the right time.
I'm glad I read this thread. I never knew there were years without summer in recent years.
I've never considered that, but it seems with Mt St Hellen's and the volcano in Iceland both happening in my lifetime, it's something I should consider.
My main strategy would be stockpiling foods with a very long stable shelf life (beans and rice mainly) preferably hitching my bets and doing it in multiple locations spread out geographically.
Not to be a defeatist, but I don't honestly think my chances of survival are very good. I don't think most of the people who live around me have very good chances either. I live in an apartment in the middle of a large city in a largely populated area. If we're talking about half the population disappearing, we're talking about breakdowns of governments, increase of violence, gangs, mobs, etc. My main goal would be to get the hell out of dodge until things settle down a bit more. This is where i see farming communities thriving because they tend to work very well together.
One thing to consider is that oil pumps and logging companies work the most in the winter, so expect a likely increase in production in that case. However, once the food stores start to fail, and that will happen very quickly due to "lean" manufacturing. I could see research and development and production go hard core into hydroponics, petrochemical fertilizers and indoor farming. I would also expect that Monsanto couldn't resist the gleaming opportunity to claim IP ownership of everything that grows, but I honestly think that by that time, so much would have happened in the world that the general population is no longer willing to take orders from a group of rich people who have a lot of juicy resources.
The question though was how would we deal as permies? My number one goal would be to educate as many people about survival skills as possible. I've focused a lot of my life toward learning skills like making cordage, pottery, alcohol, herbal medicinals, western medicine, preserving, weaving, knitting, waterproofing, hiking, hunting, carving, etc. General bushcraft and primitive living things. I'm also doing a lot of research on electrical circuits, programming, lab sciences, etc. I'm trying to learn how to live like a modern primitive and teach my wife everything I know.
So I have to say education is number one because what good is anything if we don't know how to use it? 98.6 degrees would be a great place to start, but you need to understand how things work on a systemic level. Studying systems thinking is an invaluable starting point. I honestly think some permies have the best shot of anyone alive today. There are so many man powered, animal powered appropriate technologies in use right now, I think permies will be the wizards of the new world.
Number one and a half would be stockpile food and supplies (nails, screws, saw blades, files, electrical wire, scrap metal, cutlery, plastic metal and glass containers, fabrics of many types, etc) general hoarder stuff. People used to burn down their houses to collect the nails when they moved. That should give some context to how valuable those things will be in a situation like this.
Number two would be community building and studying groups which have lived peacefully in primitive times and using their methods of conflict resolution, but generally forming groups whose chosen ethics are based on permaculture principals, while not forgoing whatever means of production or defence are attainable since we are literally talking about not only surviving the winter, but then rebuilding afterward.
Although community building is third on the list, I think it's the most important, because we can't survive on our own. Mountain men who were better suited for survival than anyone alive today only lived to about 40 at most because their lives were so stressful as well as occupational hazards of no safety standards while alone in the open wilderness for an extended amount of time.
I would love to see a tour of the lab. I would really like to see the context of everything too, like where things are in relation to other things. It just gives some understanding when I read about the wofati and the teepee and the kitchen as to where they are in relation to each other. I think someone posted a map at some point, but walking around with a video kind of brings us there.
I'd also love to see a video tour of things in detail, like the wofati and the teepee and the kitchen Honestly, you could have a decent following on youtube (not that that's necessarily your goal with this, but it can't hurt) just walking around filming what people are doing and showing the improvements of the site. Talking heads are great too, but some context around what you're talking about goes much further.
EDIT: Some more thoughts. My favorite channel is WranglerStar. He's a homesteader who just shows what he's doing on any given day. My favorite channel used to be Paul's, but it hasn't been updated in a while. Not that I'm judging. My channel hasn't been updated recently either.
My friend lives in a neighborhood in the suburbs where the developer in their infinite wisdom decided to line the streets with crab apple trees (on the city owned meridian (I think that's what it's called. At any rate, it's public land.)). This is the suburbs and these people have no interest in picking the apples to use them. They'd rather rake them off the lawn when they fall off and rot. The apples are actually quite good. They're not super bitter. Like a tart granny smith.
Scott Stiller wrote:Went to YouTube and subscribed. Immediately I notice some mead videos. Now we're talking! I've been fascinated with mead for years and I believe I make the best on the planet. Even going to the extent of purchasing all the commercial mead I could find for a big ol taste test. Some were ok, some were nasty, mine won easily.
Sorry, had to brag a bit.
Thanks so much for the kind words and for subscribing!
I'm obsessed with mead. It's my favorite alcoholic beverage. I also make the best I've had .
I live in an appartment and I don't see that changing any time soon (economics). I would love to be a regenerative force in the world though and the best way I can think of doing that is to teach others about permaculture who can hopefully make a bigger change than I can.
I've been working at creating videos on various aspects of permaculture. I have about 19 videos right now, I have outlines for about 6 more, and my goal is to put out over 200 or more in the next year or two, but I want really good content. I really want people to love the videos and be inspired. My goal eventually is to have an online PDC type course. Not a full Geoff Lawton cert course, but one that will give people a very good understanding of what permaculture is and attempt to shift the mindset to a regenerative one.
I've posted about this before and I've had the comments that my videos need more visuals, so I've actually bought a wacom tablet to make that easier.
I hope this isn't asking too much, but could you please take a look at my channel and a video or two (https://www.youtube.com/user/starterpermie) and let me know what stands out to you? What do you like? What would you change? Any comments you might have. What videos do you think people would like to see?
My goal is to win hearts and minds and create advocates of permaculture.
We found a great place to stay. We stayed on a bus on an organic/semi (but not really) permaculture farm. The lady who owns the place was very sweet and hospitable. She really does care about her land so it was still very nice to see her gardens.
The bus was an old blue bird school bus that Sue lived in with her partner for 4 and a half years.
We also had the opportunity to rescue a goat that had escaped from the neighbors pasture. First time I've carried a goat. It was adorable. Would highly recommend duck creek farm if anyone is traveling to Salt Spring island.
My wife and I are on a road trip to Vancouver island to stay with my sister on her boat. We've just had a day open up for us though, so we want to visit Salt Spring Island. It's been a place I've wanted to visit since I heard about it.
I'm wondering if anyone here lives there or has been there and can recommend a place for us to stay? There are lots of farms you can stay at, and I would live to be on a permaculture farm and be able to tour around and even work. My wife LOVES animals too and she would die a happy lady if there were some animals there.
Does anyone have any recommendations?
Please reply quick if you're able as we'll possibly be taking the ferry over there today.
Nick Kitchener wrote:BTW, bleach acts differently depending on water temperature. With heat, it forms a stable Chlorine compound rather than the sanitising Chlorine gas. It's important to use cold water with bleach when sanitising. Rinsing is entirely up to you.
Nick Kitchener wrote:I had some thoughts while watching...
You don't need to put boiling hot water in the carboy to rinse. It stresses the glass and will eventually break. You can use warm water and just fill it almost completely to get rid of the excess chlorine.
Do you mean every time I add boiling water it causes the glass to stress and compounds the stress? Like I have a finite amount of times I can do that? Is tempering the glass the way I have been not enough?
Nick Kitchener wrote:Instead of heating the honey, can you pour the tea into the honey and then stir it to thin the honey out? It would save you having to heat the honey in a double boiler.
I don't know if anyone here is interested, but I've posted a video on how to make mead.
I thought the frugal board would benefit from it because I'm able to make mead for about $1 per 750ml bottle. If you are one of those lucky (I live in an apartment) people with bees, you could make mead for under $0.05 per bottle.
It's my favorite alcoholic beverage, it makes me feel fantastic. There are no sulfites added so no headache for me. You can also flavor it in almost any way you can think of. Some recipes I want to create (these have all been done before, but I want to design my own) are chai, cherry, blueberry, coffee, chocolate, mocha, peach cobbler, apple pie and pumpkin pie. Those are just off the top of my head, but it gives examples as to how diverse mead can be.
Judith Browning wrote:You can use any of the photos submitted to meme factory photo submissions and then when you have completed one or more memes post them in the meme factory submissions thread. we need more folks participating:)
Judith Browning wrote:really nice meme, caleb! if you want, you could add it to the MEME FACTORY that was begun by Dave Burton....that thread is for the final memes . he has a thread begun for photo submissions and also one for submissions....as a stop to see if they need work, spelling corrections, etc. the links are all in the "meme factory" thread.
Thanks. I was just playing around. I don't think we could use that image because I don't own it, but if someone has a fantastic photo that's similar which they're willing to let me use, I could always recreate this.
Although, now that I'm doing an image search, there's a bunch of generic wallpaper sites that are using the same image. I'm not sure if it's public domain or if it was just stollen and replicated over the internet...
Cj Verde wrote:I've been a bee keeper for 43 days and I've noticed the "natural bee keepers" and the conventional ones can get a bit combative. The other side feels threatened and doesn't want to have a conversation. On another forum it became clear that any "natural" approach was going to get slapped down so I wont be posting about bees on that site anytime soon.
That's why Paul set up permies. No need to argue with people who think we need pesticides and herbicides to feed the world. Enjoy the positive atmosphere here and don't get sucked into the negativity there.
What is the difference between natural and conventional bee-keeping?
I do enjoy the positive atmosphere here, however (and perhaps I'm on a fruitless course) I feel like we can't give up public opinion to the corporate shills. If we can come up with a hand full of studies that we know well which prove what we're saying, combating the shills shouldn't be too hard.
Reishi is a Chinese medicinal mushroom which has been noticeably helpful to my wife an I. We use it for anxiety. We started using reishi spores and one day when I was justifiably angry, I took half a teaspoon of them and within 5 minutes noticed that my mood was melting away. And I was even kind of annoyed with that because like I said, I was justifiably angry, but then even that annoyance melted away. And it wasn't like a everything is grey kind of feeling either. It was a very balanced feeling. Anyway, that's my experience with Reishi.
Chaga is another medicinal mushroom which grows in northern Canada and Siberia. It grows on birch trees (which are very hard to find around me) and as I understand, it has the highest amount of antioxidants of anything that grows currently known. More than chocolate and more than acai. It's really tasty as a coffee substitute or just as a drink. I've had it as an iced tea idea too.
Xisca Nicolas wrote:Caleb, what are these plants?
As cultivated plants come from all over the world, we can introduce some wild one, as cultivated in our lands...
Do you mean you would introduce some of the east into your west?
I have some great french dendelion in the Canary and it grows super!
And I also have a mexican chenopodium that looks happy....
Oh yeah dandelion is great. I was more talking about wild foraging than introducing species.
I know your specialty is the northeast, however there are many plants that also grow in the northwest. I was just wondering if you could pick 1 or 2 of the most important plants to watch out for and harvest for their health benefits, what would they be?
Presently my two favorite things don't really grow around me. One is reishi and the other is chaga.
There was a video I saw once where a woman in the middle of a sandy desert started planting palm trees in a row almost like an orchard and it was her area where she was greening the desert. She ended up having this area that was like 4 acres and the trees on it were like a grid. It popped into my mind a couple years ago because I started meditating so to speak how it all depends on the trees, and so I searched for it, but what I ended up finding was Geoff Lawton's video which completely blew my mind.
Before that, I had never heard of permaculture and then I was hooked. I still haven't found a source for the video I saw when I was younger but I would love to if anyone happens to know what I'm rambling about. I believe it was a national geographic show.
Not sure what the point of this post is, but I thought I'd share.
Judith Browning wrote:Richters Herbs is near Toronto and has a huge selection of herb seeds and some plants also. I order from them for many herbs seeds. They have goji...I have several nice plants from a $3.00 packet of seed...I started seabuckthorn also but had a problem with damping off. Their seeds are very good I think and in Canada.
I like your idea and seed list but I am familiar with a much warmer climate and have never tried seed balls. I am interested in what others have to say here though:)
Thanks for your advice.
What do you mean by the sea buckthorn damping off? I'm not familiar with that term.
Josey Hains wrote:Did you research where you are going to get all these plants? I have a hard time finding stuff here in Calgary.
At least Arnica and Camomile are not perennial in our zone.
Buckwheat, Poppy and sunflower probably reseed themselves and might be invasive. Clover for sure. Some mustards are consider noxious weeds here. So careful!
Regarding the price of doing something. Buckwheat, Poppy etc. check the bulk section in a health food store. I found that the cheapest way of getting bulk amounts of seeds.
Goji, apple tree and sea buckthorn I have only seen as plants and they set you back quite a bit. I think the buckthorn we bought was $20 , goji probably around $40 and an apple tree $80-100? I don't think it would work from seed here with such a short season. You could start them indoors and grow them until next year though.
If you found some good sources for plants, let me know. As I said I am having a hard time finding a good variety of PC plants here.
Thanks for your reply. I hadn't considered using health food stores for seed banks!
I did find this site which has decent prices on seeds and they're local which I like so their seeds will be climatized.
I live near a hill that is quite steep and faces south. It is wild land and a lawn mower never touches it for the most part, however it is mostly grasses growing in the area very few trees, very few flowers.
I thought it would be a cool gift to the community if I were to plant maybe an apple tree and possibly a raspberry bush. The biggest thing I would love to do though is to plant (Fukuoka seed ball style) medicinal and edible perennial flowers and plants that are native to Alberta and propagate well.
I fully understand the impact that an invasive species can have and I'm not going to do anything without considering the consequences and benefits first, and of course if doing nothing is the better course to follow, I'm willing to consider that. I just hope I'm not coming across as someone who's putting no thought into this. I'm here for suggestions, recommendations and advice.
On my list of flowers and plants are:
Arnica ( I could be wrong about that one)
Honey crisp apple
I'm going to (I'm a passenger in a car right now) do research on all of these before planting anything to see if they're tested to be stable here , but I think you get the idea. I'm obviously not going to be able to plant all of these, but it's my list of plants that I would love to have handy.
Does anyone have thoughts on plant types I should use? I would also like to do this for as cheap as possible while still acquiring healthy strong seeds, so if anyone knows of a good source that would also be great. So far the cheapest I've found for native flower mix was $40 for 300 seeds. To me that seems pricy, but maybe I'm out of touch.
I've missed it two years in a row now, but have you heard of seedy saturday in Calgary? You should definitely check it out since you're close. It's only once a year, and I'm afraid you've missed it this year, but next year you should come. It's a seed swap where everyone gets together to swap seeds.
Jordan Brown from Calgary started an online course last year for people who want to learn gardening. It's geared to people who know absolutely nothing about gardening. I joined last year and I believe I paid $50 and I think it's totally worth it. The videos are super good quality and often times really funny. Jordan's a super good dude to hang around with too.
Jordan's goal is to have more people grow their own food, so he's not pushing any one method of gardening, but he definitely does present things with a permaculture angle.
He also arranged get togethers at various gardens to show examples of what he's talking about. I went to a get together on vermiculture and I heald a get together on hugelkultur. Unfortunately the Calgary flood was the same week as my presentation, so not too many people showed up. I may try again this year. The get togethers are a great way to get to know people in the community who are like minded about sustainability.
If you live in a similar climate to Calgary, I think you can learn a lot.
That's a truly beautiful video. It's stories like these that got me so into permaculture in the first place. Greening the desert was the first time I had heard of permaculture, and it's always been the rainwater harvesting and groundwater recharging that has inspired me the most.
One day I would love to have a job working with people to implement methods like these.