Ben Waimata wrote:A few years back I was visiting a friend with an extremely diverse garden/botanical collection. He showed me something he said was a rare tree passionfruit, might have been Passiflora lindeniana or something similar. Anyway he casually broke a piece off and gave it to me to try as a cutting. When I got home I placed it into my propagation system and got it going, eventually planted it out where it ended up getting killed by a renegade cow. Finally I got around to looking it up and discovered it was so super rare that there were less than 100 known specimens anywhere in the world, and only one that has ever flowered outside of habitat! If I'd known how rare it was I might have made more effort to keep the cows away.
That is a wild story. If only your friend would have been very clear that it was extremely rare. Sad you lost that plant. Does your friend still have his collection?
Jane Reed wrote:Not sure of their endangered status but I do know my 2 plants are collected thoughtlessly in the wild. I grow white sage, Salvia apiana, and sweetgrass, Hierochloe odorata.
Here's a story about the sage. A local demonstration garden, run by a Master Gardeners group, has stopped growing white sage because people kept tearing off stems and ruining the plant. They replaced the plant twice and then gave up on it.
White sage is easy enough to grow from seed and the seed is easy to obtain. But I understand that in the wild the plant is harvested by people who sell smudge sticks at art fairs and it has become scarce in the wild on that account.
I believe sweetgrass suffers the same fate.
I did not know both of these were over harvested in the wild. I do see dried white sage for sale quite often.
Looks like sweet grass is considered endangered in Maryland, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. White Sage is not considered endangered by the USDA or by California.
Devon Olsen wrote:Haven't produced enough to use it yet
Kusa seed society only sends you 50 seeds of each variety, that's what I started with
I'm quite sure they baby the piss out of their wheat (makes sense as they're attempting to revive the varieties and create a lot of seed) as the varieties I bought are purported to reach up to 14ft tall(some of them) where I've never hit 3 ft tall
I do NOT baby them, this year I tried 3 varieties that I had the most seed from
mauri black awed I liked and had few of so i planted those at the home garden where I could water with pond water, due to grazing circumstances they were eaten to death by horses
Milagre I trialed in my silt beds on farm(in irrigated created by gabion) and the drought killed all of it, the farm gets much less rain than town, I suspect approx 10in annual average precipitation
Baart early you see here went into the farm garden after forking the bed and mulching with finished purchased compost(fine material needs regular water to Mao rain moisture) this garden is fenced with corral panels, I transplanted maybe 30 plants, these 5-6 are what survived long enough to get the woodchip mulch later in the year after getting a pickup, they've been watered but minimally and will give me enough seed that next year I should have about 150 seeds to play with
This story is typical of my years with the wheat thus far, I get a few plants going and maybe a half dozen survive long enough to harvest so I guess I'm at least breeding resilient seed if nothing else, would love to grow enough to actually call for a scythe harvest
Mulch helps with moisture retention, soil temps and most weeds but the only weed I care to be rid of is unhindered(perennial rhizomous thistle of some sort)
Maybe I should make a thread about my grain attempts....??
Wow. Sounds like a lot of frustration. I glad you are still sticking with it. Makes it hard with such little rain.
I am growing an endangered shrub. Out of the first 30 cuttings only one survived. I wanted to give up, but I am going to keep going.
You should start up a forum about growing rare wheat varieties.
Devon Olsen wrote:Not really endangered but I am working with some landrace varieties of wheat from the kusa seed society
I am very curious about your project. How long have you been doing it for? How of area have you seeded?
Been at it for maybe 5 years, haven't made all too much progress but slowly getting a little more seed with some of the varieties, probably gonna buy a bit more seed from kusa seed society this next year for genetic diversity but of their package I have baart early (best variety this year and this picture) and Mauri black awned, and Milagre are the three that have survived my attempts thus far
Hopefully within 3-5 years I'll have an actual field, also trying with barley and I'll be planting some triticale this year
Sounds like quite the journey. Does mulching help with keeping the weeds from competing with the Wheat? Have you had enough to make anything with them?
S Bengi wrote:If the plant or animal is endangered, the moving/purchasing/possessing the adult or small or seed/egg or even the sick is probably illegal.
But you can probably get away with it if it isn't too much given the current EPA
Kenneth Elwell wrote:Hi Josh, here in Massachusetts we have the New England Wildflower Society. They have The Garden in the Woods, which is a great place to walk around and learn about native plants in a variety of settings.
There is a wealth of information on their website.
New England Wildflower Society from their site:
"New England Wild Flower Society conserves native plants in the wild and encourages gardeners and landscape professionals to choose natives when they plant outdoor spaces, particularly plants grown from local seeds, harvested sustainably in the wild.
Our mission is to conserve and promote the region’s native plants to ensure healthy, biologically diverse landscapes.
With more than a century of successful habitat restoration, scientific research, and public education dedicated to native plants, we are the established leader in the region and an expert resource for professionals in other parts of the country and the world."
Thanks for your very thoughtful reply. We also have the same thing in California. I think the work they are doing is amazing, but they have a lot of projects going on. I feel that endangered plants if one area that could use come help. Do you know any one who is growing any endangered plants in New England?
That is a tough one. Here are all the things I have tried, but did not work. Let me know if you find something that works.
Mulched 5 inches deep
Mulched with cardboard
Cover with plastic for 4 months
Used vinegar straight on the plant
dug out and removed the soil from the area.
digging fork- I worked on getting the whole root. This seems to work the best.
I am going to try a blow torch this year. Bindweed is by far the worst weed that I have dealt with.
Your book look interesting, and I feel this is a very important topic.
How do I get people and excited about a project that I am passionate about and need help with? I am trying to start a group of individuals that saves endangered plants. I feel this often overlooked. Most attention seems to go to endangered animals.
I created a website, and have the plant listed that I am trying to save. Now I am trying to get attention and involvement. I would like to see a person from each state growing a plant that is endangered.
On the other side of the continent, American Chestnut has mostly been extirpated due to the chestnut blight, however a few blight resistant trees and stands still exists throughout their original range.
Hazelnut and Paw-Paw are very difficult to find here as well...
I have heard a little bit about the chestnut issue. I would love to read more about the resistant trees stands. Do you have any links for this?
In California there are quite a few rare and even endangered plants grandfathered into the horticultural trade. A few years ago I was in Santa Barbara and was growing all the Berberis nevinii I could purchase and had plans to propagate more. It can be bought completely legally.
Some other species are quite protected when rare. I would recommend joining forces and volunteering with an organization doing rare plant increase legally. The institute for applied ecology is one such. They have done significant increase of a rare paintbrush in Oregon.
Here the Montana native plant society has done some work with Spalding's Catchfly.
Thanks for your reply. I am familiar with some of the organizations you suggested. I like what they are doing, but lot of them are trying to do to much. At least in this area a lot of their main focus on removing the non-native species. There also seems to be a lot of red tape, and the events they have are fun, but you don't really feel like you changed much. I want something for someone like myself who does not have a lot of time, but wants to help. I though it if one person focused on one plant it, and would be a way for someone to give back to the area.
I am came across a plant that I found very interesting to me. It is an endangered plant that used to be all along the shores in Bay Area. I decided to try and grow the scrub (which I am doing), and will plant out some of the plants. The plant is California Sea Blite.
I looked around, and there is not much work being done to help endangered plants. In all honesty it is pretty much non-existent. If any of your are interested, I would love your help. I know there is concern of the government approaching on your land, especially if they here that you have endangered plants on your property. I found this article that I thought might be useful. Endangered plants We could grown the plants in pots then plant them in locations in where they are known to grow, and not on our property.
I setup up a website to mark the locations of plants being grown. If you look at California you can see the plant I am growing. e plant collective I would love to hear everyones thoughts, and would love your help to get this project going.
What I am asking you to do.
1. Find a list of plants near you.
2. Located and identify the plant you are going to collect from and try and protect/save.
3. Collect seeds or cuttings from the plant.(Only what you need to get started)
4. Contact me with the plants name and location of the plant. (This can be where you plant to plant it out)
5. Care for and plant out the plants when they are ready.
I would love to see this project get going, and would greatly appreciate your help.
I would suggest a cold frame. You can heat the air or ground if you need the extra heat. You have the option to buy one or build one out of old windows, but be careful some of the very old windows have a asbestos glazing.
I would also be cautious of brass, unless it is lead free. I would not use PVC Do it's many additives and health risks. Here are a few of them that have been linked to PVC; birth defects, impaired learning, liver toxicity, premature births and early puberty in laboratory animals, among other serious health problems.
I would also be cautious of brass, unless it is lead free. I would not use PVC Do to it's many additives and health risks. Here are a few of them that have been linked to PVC; birth defects, impaired learning, liver toxicity, premature births and early puberty in laboratory animals, among other serious health problems.
1. Miss Maple's Seeds By: Eliza Wheeler
2. Seasons by: Blexbolex
3. National Geographic- book of mammals
4. Rainbow Stew By: Cathryn Falwell ( garden book)
5. The Little Island: By Margaret Wise Brown
6. Oak Tree Grows BY: G Brian Karas
7. The raft By:Jim lemarche
8. On Meadowview street By:
9. Hi, Koo!: A Year of Seasons By: Jon J Muth (This by far is my favorite one. You should also check other books by John J Muth. He illustrated city dog and country frog.)
10. City Dog and country Frog by: Mo Willems
Sorry for my very delayed response. It has been one of those weeks. Thanks for both your posts, and to responding to my questions.
The restoration you have done on the creek shows great improvement. Thanks for sharing.
The riparian restoration changes in your area is a great news. I hope other state start to do it. I am going to try and work with a local watershed conservancy to hopefully fast track what I am hoping to do. They could help me with testing water, restoring, managing the area, and hopefully being able to remove it from the EPA 303d listing.
You are doing amazing things. I have listen to a few podcasts with you, and I try to follow you a bit. I am hoping to make it out to one of your workshops in the near future. I hope your upcoming workshop goes well.
Thanks for taking the time to answer all our questions!
Have you ever received any grants for water? (conservation, management, etc.) Is so, have you run into issues with state government not working with the federal government?
I am looking to address riparian issues within a possible design for some land I am looking at. The State Land Commission is requiring me to pay them for an environmental study before I even begin. Even if the state green lights my project the federal government can say no to my project. In your experience would it be better to not apply for any grants that might involve the federal government, and keep it at a state level?
I have been applying 5-10 gallons compost tea/ worm tea to my garden. It is about a 1000 sq feet, and I am applying it at a rate of 1 part tea to 4 parts water. I am in Sonoma County California. I am new to compost tea, and I researched it a bit, and rates vary from site to site, and company.
What are others application rates? Have you noticed any benefit from doing a soil soak?
I have been in the Bay Area for almost a year, and when I moved here last August, I did not notice that much of it. Then when we had that two weeks of rain in December it was everywhere. I have heard from others in this area that it dies off in late spring, and does not come back until Fall. Have you noticed if it does the same on your property? I also noticed it loves the compacted clay areas in my yard. I was curious, and transplanted it in a shaded very compact clay area in my yard where nothing was growing. It is doing very well, and I am hoping that it will break up compaction.
From reading others posts it seems to me that you have a lot of busy people, which is true for most of the world. I think you can use this to your advantage. I think the DYI for first timers is such a good idea. We all wish we all could attend workshops, but time and money limiting what we can attend. It seems a lot of people will not consider attending a workshop until Wheaton Laboratories is mature and Krameterhof like. I personally wish I could be there to see the beginning of all the things that work, and all the things that don't. That information would be priceless, and would save a lot of us who plan or own property a lot of time. Once your place is more established you could start focusing more on workshops again.
I know you said it is not worth the time and effort to produce how to videos. What if you tried the following?
1. Put a vote out for the top five videos people want to see made next year. Then what areas they would like to see for each topic that wins.
2. For each topic figure out what would be a $ amount that would be profitable for each video.
3. Do a Kickstarter, or some type of prepaid service. Only make the videos that are profitable and worth your time.
4. Let everyone at permies know you are looking for a video/editor, and have this person be responsible for it all. ( Organizing the shot list, information that needs to be covered, footage, etc.) There are so many videographers that are talented, and would love to do something like this, especially if you were paying them. If possible find someone more local. University of Montana, and Montana State both have film programs, and if a student could pay for some of his/her schooling by shooting video, I am sure they would be excited. Another option would be a Summer internship at Wheaton lab for a film student.
5. Streaming only, so you do not have to deal with DVDs.