Any of you espousing your love of Rosa Rugosa...wanna share some with me? I had seeds this year that I tried to Winter Sow. But, our winter this year was not the perfect one for rugosa seeds - not enough chill days, I believe.
Cuttings, seeds, plants...I'd love someone to share with me <3
As for a role in Permaculture - everyone else has already mentioned really swell ideas. I'm just going to pipe up and say - don't forget about using them as a Nanny Plant! I've got some "came with the house" roses too and I used them to help protect some other tender seedlings from the bigger and badder critters that wanted to eat them, or have them blow over. They helped me propagate some native clematis seeds last year - the vines rambled up the big thorny bushes and kept the squirrels from eating them.
Andrew Schreiber wrote:after a few years, the dead hedge is still working well. We are still adding branches to it to some degree, but not very much. It is still keeping the goats in their pen, which is surprising given how much they try and escape.
Could you please post pictures of what your dead hedge looks like now? Just to be able to compare it to your previous posted pictures? I'm curious as to how much it has "settled" in place, since yours is so much larger (comparatively) than mine WILL be.
I'm in desperate need for someone to help me sort out my brain. You see, I've been a "traditional" gardener since I could put shovel to dirt. Now, well I'm riding along on this World Domination road trip.
I've watched, and rewatched and REWATCHED this video, however...my brain cannot get out of it's stinkin' thinkin' about linear gardening. Everything gets all gummed up and it's just driving me crazy.
This is my thought process
Biodiversity = no monoculture beds. So we mix it up - herbs, veggies, flowers, etc.
Plant needs = full sun, shady, wet, moist, etc. So tall plants in the middle, ok. But...what is "the middle" and is it more tall, taller, tallest? Or..like a ring of tall plants with a olla? But then that brings in keyholes...and Paul's sun scoops. I live on a slope - is it better for sun scoops or rain scoops? Sun scoops would face down hill while the rain scoops would face up hill to catch the run off.
Which then I get carried away and need to come back to the original idea of CIRCLES and how to plant them efficiently.
Any practical advice from someone who was doing the straight and narrow and now does squiggly and curvy? Plant spacings, ideas, websites, photos,
I can crochet in the round.
I can knit in the round.
I can weave and spin and run around in circles.
Dear Gods I will garden in the round as well!
Thank you everyone for the replies! My apologies for not replying sooner, work is evil...necessary, but still evil!
Chadwick - you are exactly the kind of person I was hoping to meet! Your trio is adorable and thank you for great advice! It hadn't even crossed my mind to think about 4-H but I know my daughter would love it, and there are quite a few 4-Hers and FFA associations around my area. Also the tip about three goats being a herd! As soon as I read that the lightbulb went on and I had that moment of realization. You're zone in PA is about the same as mine here in NY so it's nice to know that it can be done! What are you using for your fences? From your pictures it looks like you're using natural posts with 4 foot welded wire? How well does that keep predators out and keep your goats in for you? Do you have temporary fencing (like electro-net?) for pasture rotation or did you just divide it and put up permanent fencing?
Hans - I started Googling "key hole manger" and that looks really fantastic! We are also now trying to integrate a poo gutter into the underground barn design. Which means I need to really decide how I want the interior to be arranged.
Katy - I wish it was just as simple as getting a milk pail, and if I lived anywhere else it probably would be. Here in NY raw milk production/sale/consumption (especially in my county) is regarded very poorly by those in power positions. There are specific regulations and requirements for me to even drink milk from my own goats. It's also disheartening because it doesn't matter that I do not want to sell the milk, I just want it for me and my family. The people "in charge" say I must be selling it and must be held to those rules and labels. Which involves either being a part of a larger co-op of dairy goats where I'd need to bring my milk to one of their facilities to be processed/tested or buying my own equipment. There is no option to do it on the stove top. I could just sneak and do it anyway, but my house is 20 feet from the road and in full view of anyone going by and my three neighbors. And sneaking goes against my nature...I shouldn't have to sneak to provide for my family.
I know I keep mentioning Angoras, but if anyone has any other fiber breed they want to gush about - please jump in! I'm happy to hear it!
I guess I'm looking for goat resources for someone on 2 acres (or less) to make it work. Basically a "I did it this way. You can too!" kind of thing. Something to help me figure out what the most efficient ways of doing things THIS small. I watch Geoff Lawton's videos and he's working on hundreds of acres...I'm working in hundreds of feet, and I have a hard time converting it down to my scale.
Right now, there is nothing here but fill dirt/gravel with our house and a garden shack that I'm hoping to fix into a chicken coop. February marks the first calendar year in the new home. We promised ourselves to not make any BIG changes (I'm really itching to knock a certain wall down lol) until we had lived in it "As Is" for one full year. We have a definite direction we want to go, and what the goal sorta looks like. Everything gets murky in between Idea A and Final Project Z. We have the drive, but feel like we're going in circles all the time.
Chickens were the first step, and Goats were the second.
We need help clearing the land - heavy machinery is out of the question, our property has no real safe access for even a small tractor. My husband works from home, I work at a grocery store, so man power is limited for it too. So we decided walking weed wackers would help.
We need help healing the soil - GOAT POOP and Chicken tractors and compost.
I am a knitter - the thought of creating an item from yarn that I had raised, processed, spun, and dyed myself is truely appealing.
Money is not limitless, which is why we ruled out Dairy Goats (too high of an initial investment of equipment/space) and Meat Goats (No processor nearby to make it worthwhile and NYS laws are against us doing it ourselves). Fiber Goats seemed like a "set it and forget it" kind of idea - get a pair of whethers, run our fencing, and go. Alpacas and llamas also crossed our minds but are out of our budget just yet. Heritage breeds appeal to me, but are uncommon in my area which makes breeding them interesting. I really do not want to keep a buck and some does just yet, as well. Down the road, I would love that, and maybe I can find someone to split the cost of a beautiful buck to be able to do just that.
(Colin - what I meant by petting zoo-esque was exactly what you described - I don't want to be a prisoner to a dozen goats...some of the pictures I saw of (what the authors were calling) "small scale farming" reminded me of puppy mills! It was just bad. Too many animals on not enough space...poor things.)
I'm hoping the lovely folks here at Permies can point me in the right direction!
My husband and I are discussing getting a pair of goats come spring. Our property is small (2 acres), sloped to a small creek (which is actually our southern property line) and mostly covered in golden rod and other tall grasses/brush, sumac and some black locust. I'm not looking to make money, milk, butcher or breed just yet. I'm just interested in some plant control, playful critters to watch, their fertilizer and (of course) fiber! I'm interested in Angoras (or crosses) for a self-reliant homestead. I'm literally thinking 2-3 goats.
After searching "backyard", "homestead", "self-reliant", "small scale", etc., I've really come up on nothing for a VERY small operation that isn't petting zoo-esque. Should I be searching something else, maybe? Everything I've been finding is for way more goats than I feel our land can support. Does anyone out there have experience with staying on the very small side?
My grand scheme involves an Oehler Underground Greenhouse that is set up more like Sepp's Greenhouse/Coop illustration. Mainly for getting through our lovely Upstate NY Winters...bleck. I've pseudo-plotted rotational paddocks that I'm calling "lanes" that goats can help clear to make way for fruit tree guilds. The local college (SUNY Cobleskill) is an Ag College and has many resources in regards to every aspect of livestock and agriculture (but generally on a HUGE scale). They put me in touch with a local fiber group who are more than willing to help me learn to process my own yarn. Hopefully I'll be able to help shear a small flock of sheep this spring to get my feet wet in that aspect as well. As a newly minted knitter I'm extremely excited to learn this portion whether I get my own fiber or not!
There's also food, bedding, vet bills, etc. I know that, that is also in the pipeline. But am I missing something that I haven't thought of to look for?
This is marvelous. Simple, well designed, the attention to the details - wonderful. I heartily applaud your work!
The questions that I have are these
- How long have you been using the Chicksaw?
- Any predation problems?
- Any advice for adapting it to a zone 5b Central NY winter? My first instict is to just store it away until the green grows again.
You may also like to do a google search for ' Mother Tree " for a look at what happens at the roots of All Plants !
For the Good of the Crafts ! Big AL
Thank you for the warm welcome! And also thank you for pointing me in the direction of Paul Stamets. I feel that this was a very seredipitous moment in many regards!
Firstly - iflscience is a personal favorite of mine <3
I was also born and raised in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and can remember the discovery in Crystal Falls.
My husband has innoculated logs with oyster and shitake spawn all over our property - we have some totems, piles, innoculated logs under a small hugel bed...if he could experiment by putting spawn on it...my husband did it!
The downside is that the stump is so badly burned/scorched/stained from years of crud on it...we really don't know what kind of stump it is. What would you suggest for innoculating it? Wine Caps? The Honey Fungs in the iflscience article seems like it may help for the short term but then be a pain later on if it's going to start consuming the other trees eventually. Or did I misinterpret the article? (That's a high probability since I've expanded my new permaculture/botanical/EVERYTHING vocabulary so quickly I'm rather playing catchup...I should probably make flash cards)
We have lots of naturally sprouting mushrooms all around as well though I am not able to identify them accurately. Should I just cross my fingers and see if they naturally take over now that there isn't so much STUFF on it?
Just when I think I've got an answer...more questions.
Thank you again Big Al, if you're ever down near Schoharie County area...give a holler, it'd be nice to meet a fellow permie!
Can anyone suggest a strategy for repaing the soil from under a burn pile? Our new home had a very large (3ft across and 2ft high) metal ring that the previous owners used as a burn barrel for all their garbage. We were able to move the ring and scrape up most of the remaining ash, junk and whatnot that was still in the bottom. Burning garbage has been illegal in NY for about 10 year now...but it looks like the previous owners didn't give two hoots about that. I can only assume they burned everything and anything they wanted to. We found metal bits, springs, charred wood bits, a couple of shell casings, etc. (No we didn't not spread the ash around on the property...my gut instinct said that was a bad idea...it's in a hazardous waste container for my garbage guy to take)
The scarred portion of the yard is actually over a large stump (probably was a very old pine tree). How do I repair the soil? I'd like to plant a flowering dogwood tree or some other pretty shade tree there eventually, as it is in the dead center of what little yard I have.
I've got some clover seeds and some flowering pollinator mixes...should I just start throwing stuff on there and see what takes?
Thank you all for your help!
Has anyone had any lucky with planting something and having it spread to take over their lawn? (other than mint! I have enough of that haha)
I'm interested in having a no mow lawn but REALLY want to do it the lazy gardener way - plant it and let it go where it will. It's mainly that we don't want to spend the money on a lawn mower. I'd rather go and buy a scythe and cut the lawn every so often to feed to chickens.I've convinced hubby that clovers and tall fescue will be sown this spring while it's still too muddy to do anything and hopefully some lovely crocus will be added this fall for next spring.
Also...does Yarrow really bloom when it's cut down to around 4/5 inches? I've only seen yarrow as these HUGE things..and the idea of it being all short just makes me curious.
tel jetson wrote:I noticed a Permies icon on their graphic of "who's talking about Flow™ Hive". doesn't elaborate on what we're saying about it...
(Non-Bee Person here) But does that really matter? Whether we're saying grand things or think it's crap? This product has opened up a world of ideas for thousands of people across the globe! I think that is the grander world domination-esque idea here.
Honestly, I would never have thought that beekeeping was something I could do - I thought it was much too demanding, time/money/equipment intensive for someone like myself. That is until I saw this product and started doing my homework. Am I getting one? Nope, maybe in a few years. Did it make me think that someday I could be proficient enough to get one. Hell yeah!
I'm also whole heartedly enjoying the real world opinion and lack of extremism (for or against) that I'm finding in this thread. The calm skepticism is refreshing and has allowed me a lot of insight that I feel would be lost if I had gone elsewhere for information. Thank you Permie Folk!
Wow, I didn't realized I sounded so hopelessly stuck until I just read all of what I'd said. Maybe next time I should hit the "Preview" button first.
Some of the sites I've been exploring (other than Permies) is OasisDesigns, Earth Ships, Greywater.com and a couple of UK sites that I can't remember right now.
I'm looking for a little advice and kinda sorta a hand holding. I have been eyeball deep in greywater alligators for about three days now, trying to learn my left from my right. However, I am so totally confused now that I don't know if I even want to bother with it! I don't want to give up because I can't understand it, so could someone possibly tell me if what I'm dreaming of is possible? Or at least point me into a "beginners" section for greywater?
The Property Details: 2.25 acres in Zone 5(b) Schoharie County, NY (aka HOLY CRAP WE BOUGHT A HOUSE) about 1/3 of the acreage is leveled for the house and driveway, then another 1/3 is sloped, some of it quite steep from contractor debris while some of it is a more gentle slope for the leech field and septic, and the last 1/3 is level-ish before reaching a small creek that is our property line. We are on well water, it runs about 4 gallons/minute, with a pressure tank and an ionic filtration system.
I'm interested in not just irrigating with greywater, but would rather recycle it for possibly the washing machine and dish washer, and of course flushing. I'd also like to collect rainwater to help mitigate the draw on our well for potable water.
Here is my confusion - terminology! It seems like everyone has a different idea about whether dishwashers and washing machines can use "treated" rain water or filtered grey water or potable water only. Some considered rain water to also be grey water, while others say that rain water harvest systems could be hooked up to my current water system for the well water and it would be okay. I've come across so many sources with so many differing opinions! I realize that most of life is this way, but when I'm just starting out in all this it feels like a monumental decision that will possibly mess up everything if I choose wrong.
I'm waiting on inter-library loan books to come in, but I fear that if I don't have some basic understanding that it's going to be a waste of time and possibly money. I understand aquaponics, I have this feeling that greywater reuse/recycling can't be THAT much different (other than the obvious sources and nutrients/'extras' in the water), can it?
Anyone want to post a 'how-to' of removing the pith from twigs and branches? My Googling is turning up mostly citrus related info and references to making canabis oil...which I'm definitely sure is NOT what I want.
I've been poking around on Permies (which leads to Google, which leads to somewhere else, which leads to somewhere else, which leads miraculously back to someone referencing Paul's YouTube Channel...which makes me go "oh yea! I was reading something on Permies." Does this happen to anyone else??!?!) and really like the idea of dead hedges. I intend to experiment with them at some point. I think the sumac's ability to regrow will really help in that.
Everyone around here, in Central NY ,doesn't like the sumac, they call it a weed, nuisance, invasive, etc. I always thought it was pretty and unusual and that I could manage to deal with it's "poorer qualities" in a garden. But now I see it for it's Permie qualities
- stablizing banks, no wonder it likes the sides of our highways!
- pioneer species,
- fibrous matting root system
- leaf shape and size
- pollinators and birds love it
I know I've not found them all and that's a good thing! Mainly because I have a few in our new property.
So now I'm looking forward to watching how the sumac's grow and change my landscape. I can't wait for our move, I can't wait for spring, I can't wait!
I also think I may have become addicted to Permies...I hope there's a 12 step program for this.
Iain Adams wrote:
It grows rampantly around the edges of my young food forest, so I pollard them to feed goats and keep em from encroaching. They are a great and rapidly regenerative fodder source, and according to my goats, are just about the tastiest thing ever. They'll completely strip and debark them in minutes, turning them into EXCELLENT rocket stove fuel. I've also had some success using them as a trellis for vertical growers around the edges of my fields.
Iain, could you please give some more details about pollarding your sumacs? You say the grow back rapidly, but...how rapidly? How frequently do you cut them back?
I just bought 2 acres and the hedgerow between the property lines is filled with sumac. I'd like to pollard/coppice the wood that has spread a little too far in the wrong section of the yard. Definitely don't want to take it all out, I like watching the birds eat the drupes. I'm hoping to integrate them more succinctly into my master plan...as soon as I have one, that is.
I'm in Cobleskill, and soon to be moving (staying close to this area...it's a good school!) but we won't be renting any longer! So I'm diving into the deep end trying to get as much info into my brain as possible so that I can sit and dream and watch the snow fly!