... you watch permaculture youtube videos to try to understand how to create food systems
... the chickens rototill the vegetable garden areas off season,
...while if you have access to acreage, you systematically graze sections, rather than let goat or sheep become maggots stripping the bones off the land, so that you can to create better grassland fodder over time (Geoff Lawton livestock as land maggots)
...you think through how to make food abundance from as little space as possible. Edible landscaping anyone? Stacking of functions is always considered. Such as recycling gray water into the environment, the concept of using less to make more.
We are all so busy, prefer Permie Express and Permie Link. I like it as it, but if you must, make it sound brief, so I'll click on it. As it is now, I get suckered into clicking on it and enjoy it. So my 1 min becomes 15!
Love walking down to a "borrowed" property in the early morning with the smell of redwood and dried grasses, and the CHEE-CHEE sound of the neighborhood hawk, and being able to open a barn, walk in, and see the staring faces of goats waiting to be fed, that's a wonder! How amazing the smell and quiet instead of traffic and noise.
Actually, I asked the owner about having a llama or burro. His answer was "no." Llamas don't fit his image of an estate.
My goats have a better zip code than I do! LOL People who buy in the town lean to McMansions or restored Victorians. I did ask again, and he said maybe to the burro, still no to the llama. However, I know that being invisible, parking down the road, coming and going with only a Hi! and a wave, not texting him much, keeping down the grasses to a height that allows the meadows to restore with rains, and removing almost all of the junk on the property is the only way I get to retain land use. For a man that values his privacy and QUIET, I decided to nix the burro. Also, if he sells, it will be hard enough to find housing the goats, let alone more animals.
Personally, I would have preferred the burro to purchasing the fencing.
BTW, horse boarding here is $375 per month per stall, so by bartering, we can do what we enjoy, and he gets a pristine property that draws oohs and aahs. We both win.
I appreciate your comment. Thank you for sharing what you've learned. Under the circumstances, you have given us our best choice. Most importantly, how often do you test your wires to make sure they're hot? need BTW, planning to add all the other items the other commenters all suggested, thank you all. At least, they stand a chance.
I appreciate the comments about the electric fencing, Nite Guard, and 4' foot page wire. I did hear that grass shorts the wires out. I also hear that if the ground is really dry, the soil won't provide the grounding to make the wire have a shock. BTW, we have many cottontails all over, so there's hope that they would go after them first. When we get this done, I'll post and let people know if it works. Also. I haven't had dogs down there, so I'm going to presume coyotes and. hopefully, not a mountain lion.
Topic was for only goats and sheep because I was looking for specific experiences. Thank you one and all for sharing. I can't be the only person who has to encounter this: sharing your knowledge through your experiences, it makes a difference.
I didn't make the topic about smaller livestock such as chickens because a person can use a chicken tractor and be somewhat protected. We are surrounded by tract homes on all sides. The city codes for the country area doesn't allow cattle, only 1 horse or 4 sheep or 4 goats.
The property owner doesn't want a barking dog and wants to preserve the notion he lives on the edge of a forest.
I can't have live stock guardian dogs, llamas, burros since I borrow the land, and yet I found a dead faun that looks like a coyote kill.
We solidly lock the animals in at night inside strong walls against predators. However, we will be breeding and having goat kids in the spring.
Anyone with thoughts on how well the electric netting works to keep predators like coyotes away?
Has anyone used it and had success? Did you use it and have losses?
Looking for any experiences that you may have had with any product that deters predators like the flashing lights on a pole, did it work for you or did it not?
We appreciate the advice and experience of the people at Permies!
The best thing about herbs would be running your fingers through the herb plant and rubbing the leaves and smelling the scent on your fingertips. There is nothing better than picking your culinary herbs by finding the herb variety which features the very best scent for you. For instance, I'm crazy about Provence lavender because the leaves smell exactly like the blooms! All the time, a person can have lavender and plentifully. Trim back the plant when it needs it, throw the leaves into a dryer bag or old nylon knotted, and toss into your sheets drying in the dryer, nothing like lavender-scented sheets for sleeping if you delight in the smell of lavender. Make Santa Rosa Plum Lavender jam. The uses are endless.
Save so much money by growing your own medicinal herbs, prepared by cutting, wash off, hand upside down to dry. When leaves are dry, strip leaves into a paper bag. Powder in a blender if you will be putting into a pill. and make herb capsules with a Cap-m-Quick device, using empty gelatin capsules size "0".
Cooking, if you like a certain type of cooking, look for cookbooks and grow your herbs for those recipe. Example this Herbs of Provence recipe: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/223272/herbs-de-provence/ The savory is probably a Summer Savoy which is more delicate in flavor than the Winter Savory.
Once gardeners discover how useful herbs can be, it's easy to get a whole shelf of books.
I am technically challenged. If I have to deal with links that are hidden, I can't find them. What is intuitive to some is impossible for me. True confessions here. You wrote, "If you look at the top of the forum home page, you will see a dropdown box featuring "default view" and a button "change view". " I can't find it. I can use the old permies view. I can't find my way around the new. Remember, you are asking for feedback.
I teach gardening to 70 - 80 people each week. I can understand how to make plants flourish. I can teach. If you want to increase your visitors, they must be able to hit the ground running right out of the gate. We must to be able to see all the options as you have on the top of the old view.
We "borrow" land goats. The owner wanted the brush and construction waste gone. and we gave him a beautiful meadow. thanks to the dairy goats and construction gloves, 30 inch bow saws, wheelbarrows, garbage cans, and hard work.
Thank you for your comment about "hard work." As a reader, I appreciate that you are sharing your journey.
-I know you may think that the beer not working, but I use aluminum pie pans filled with beer, deep enough to drown them. I also put 4 of the same-sized rocks in a square pattern and put a "roof" - board over the pie pan, with enough space for the slugs and snails to slither under the board and into the pie pan, but with enough cover from the board so that way rain and showers won't dilute the beer. I put a brick on top of the board roof so that rats and opossums don't take the roof board off to eat the beer-marinated snails. I get pans full of slugs since I'm inviting them to the beer party. I did go to places where they rent kegs of beer and arranged with them if a keg is coming in with beer that I can have the stale beer. You may have to bring a printed copy of this discussion and business card to convince them that you're not some cheap drunk. I had to do some fast talking to convince them to trust me with the stuff. I've gotten lots of beer for free; however, if not free, maybe the liquor store would sell for next to nothing. Bring plastic jugs with screw on lids. Nothing like spilling a jug in your car to make a disaster if a cop pulls you over!
Is there any research about which mushrooms are more entrenched and won't let other mushrooms grow in their area? Frankly, there are so many questions we don't know the answers for when it comes to growing mushrooms, especially those that live on roots. I found this link about cultivating chantrelles; however, it's 10 years old, I haven't heard any more from the researcher than this: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Flavorful-Fungus-Farmed-For-1st-Time-in-Oregon-2857440.php And on the permies., Paul Stamets put the chantrelles spores into the soil--https://permies.com/t/3392/fungi/Growing-Chanterelles
Yours is a book I definitely want to get onto my shelves. Do YOU have any information about getting chanterelle mushrooms started on oak roots? I heard of someone putting his rinse water
which he had washed his chanterelles and poured it onto the ground around the area of oak roots. He got chanterelles growing under the tree. I guess it all depends on whether you have spores in the water.
Do you have more thoughts on this?
BTW, are there preferred oaks that are better that chanterelles prefer to grow on? In other words, is there a trick to picking the tree. Also, do mushrooms compete for space? We already have wild mushrooms all over this area. Will one mushroom lock out other mushrooms and defend their turf? Truly, the world of mushrooms is like a new continent, so much of the world of microbes and mushrooms is the beginning of an adventure, a world waiting to be discovered!
Please share the URL of the video that she mentioned.
BTW. Thank you for your answer here. If your book is anything like your answer, it is going to be great.
Looking forward to getting one because this book supplies information that meets a need, we need to be able to see Permaculture in a hands-on way.
Anyone have a List of MUST READ Permaculture books? What books or videos do you repeatedly turn to when you are applying Permaculture? Right now, I am reading Sepp Holzer's Permaculture. I highly recommend it. One idea that bears some merit is a recipe that keeps deer from eating fruit trees on p.114.
My friend gave us several branches of Purple Tree Collards. It was like the beans in the story of Jack and the Beanstalk. She said plant them in the ground, keep them wet and they will grow. They did. She said, keep 7 plants and you can feed a family of 4 by them! She is correct in her every assessment. It is important to know that the midvein is tough. The way to prepare them for cooking is removing the mid vein and cooking the leaves. When temperatures are cold/cool, they taste like a sweet, toothsome, nutty Kale. They are over my head at about 7-8 feet trained up on a post. Really a wonderful vegetable!
The main thing is preserving the seed you harvest. I kept selecting for larger plants and larger leaves of the Lacinato/ Dinosaur Kale, achieved my goal of 4.5 foot plants and very large leaves, but I stored the seed in a too warm of a room and lost it all. I've been breeding my columbines, and they are now all yellow like yellow butterflies flying on fine stems and 5 feet high. However, I'm letting it self sow. So where to you find training on how to store seeds for long term viability, does anyone know?
Is creating food forests in the Permaculture design a part of Permaculture? I've see food forest being mentioned alongside of Permaculture. I ask because I see ideas being batted about but the ideas are more caught than clearly defined.
I think you are all onto some ideas that an instructor could "harvest" to make their courses more effective. Since I've been reading and watching videos for some months getting more confused, would any of you care to tell me: what are the principles of Permaculture? A permaculture farm would look like____________________ and be based on these principles________________________. I see keeping water on the land. I see planting by zones. What else?
When kids are sick, I take 1/2 onion and cook it in 2 cups of water, low heat and slowly til soft-onion tea for a bit of honey to kill germs. But if they don't want it, I make hot lemonade, that is, one cup hot water, half a lemon and honey to taste, and as much ginger powder as can be enjoyed by taste: ginger can kill typhus, so it's good to add to one's stores.
Also,I got sick long periods of time with colds and flu until I checked my vitamin D levels. It was low. I now take D regularly. During the winter, I take 5,000 units of D, and summer 1.000. Every time I check, I'm lower than average D levels.So start with a doctor's blood test, then you work by taking D to get it back to normal.
Finding the money for repairs is always a problem. Car Visor broke so I was driving leaning to one side to see the road! The husband of a close friend took apart that car visor and took off the entire metal frame out of the visor cover, bent a new bar in his workshop, restoring the inside, replaced with a new, handmade bracket. It stays up. What a wonderful man. I am so grateful that he took a half day of his time. How can one ever repay such kindness!
Just a bit for everyone because everyone got it, here is additional information. Out here in California, we call it Whitestem Filaree, http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/WEEDS/whitestem_filaree.html As children, we used our finger nail, made a slot on one seed, and put another seed through the slot, creating scissors: we played with our Filaree "scissors." The dried seeds do burrow into the coats of animals. If a dog or animal was wiggly and uncomfortable, we checked for Filaree, and if we couldn't work it out with our fingers, often had to cut it out.
In addition, I'd love to make Haiti the next powerhouse like China. They would half finish the machining. The items would then would be shipped and be finished by American workers, so both countries would have job creation.
I celebrate every time an Acacia is cut down. They say it's NOT allergenic but I spend any time around them sneezing profusely. Several of the plants listed are invasive and spread quickly. So read up BEFORE you plant. Why send your time grubbing out trees or living with an allergic problem?
For those who want a greenhouse, I saw a FREE potting shed. With a lot of friends AND RENTING A CAR TRAILER, we rolled it onto the trailer and up onto our property, then added windows on one side. A whole walls of windows, for very little, we have an 8 foot and 8 foot high of growing space for starting vegetables, with shelves and growing fluorescents. Just saying, that if a person can find a starter shed and can make it come to their home, a person can start their vegetables. Your dream is as close as the free ads, telephone poles to roll it, friends to move it and the rental of a car trailer and truck.
I would love to get a Husqvarna chainsaw. The eucalyptus trees all over the property help feed the goats, yet they grow fast in CA. After cutting at 6 feet, and 8 years later, they are back almost the same size. a renewable resource. (I've been using a 30 inch bow saw. ) Also, buy the wood so that I may build a bee hive from wood, that way, the money goes further. Buy enough old strain Alfalfa to seed the fields. Finally, an artificial insemination tank would help grow the herd. I'd love to create a farm CARE Package! Fun to think what a mere 1 K could do. If I couldn't do all this, it would be a down payment on a freeze drier.
My email said "long the way Carla Emery's daughter chimed in", but none of the new threads tell the names of those posting. I am daunted that I would have to wade through all those threads to find info about Carla Emery's book. She spoke to a group of us in Santa Cruz, telling how she promoted her book. So I would love to see what her daughter had to say.
What about the souls that would like just 4 decks of cards rather than 12 decks? I was going to buy 1 deck, but since you want to sell them at a dozen, I'd like a third of a dozen. Can you sell them in packs of 4?
Keep us informed as to your fight. I've been planting perennial drought tolerant shrubs in the curb strip. The city came out and informed me that no plants can be over 30 inches high. Ground must be level. I was going for water garden, sinking water into the ground instead of the gutter, from my home's runoff, yet the people could get to sidewalk on walkways over a pretend creek. Yet they make us pay for the street trees damaged and sidewalk repair. welcome to San Jose! Still tweeking to stay in their parameters. I hope you win your fight.