As has been mentioned slow cooking is the answer. Most cultures have recipes for slow cooked meats and with the internet they are easily available. Some experimentation will add some recipes to you portfolio.
paul wheaton wrote:Allerton abbey was empty over this winter.
That is really too bad, and I wished I lived closer as I think the WOFATI Design is rather unique, and would like to study its finer features more. I think it has a lot of potential as a low cost building system that provides a lot of comfort for low cost. We live on a hill so we get blasted by the wind, and trust me when I say, my wife and I covet the thought of hunkering underground in peace and harmony when the wind is blowing 35 knots or more.
I was hoping to build an underground retirement house for me and my wife, but after clearing the lot this winter, we realize the soil is just far too thin. It has a nice view, so with ledge rock 3 inches down, we are thinking about going in the opposite direction and building up. Probably anchor a Fire Tower Cabin to the rock and have a view even if the wind sloshes the water in the toilet! It is not really what we want, I think going underground has a lot more going for it, but blasting rock with dynamite and hauling in soil is just too costly for this site.
I guess the title of this thread was a bit more provocative than literally true, but I have no interest in gardening or farming, whilst I acknowledge their importance. There are many things that interest me just not them. As well as my trades I am also interested in building and appropriate technology more generally.
I have been on Permies and have followed Paul's journey for some years now and it struck me that seldom are the central issues confronted at the Lab a result of agricultural problems, even if most of the time is spent on them (and construction)
I am sure that there is a place for many of the existing professions in a permaculture future. Personally I am unwilling to go without a decent medical system, the rule of law and order etc.
David Holmgren's retrofitting suburbia has some interesting things to say (reterosuburbia looks interesting but I haven't read it yet).
Surely there is a place for specialization in any future as without it how can we develop the excellence needed to come up with good solution to problems. Here I think of Ernie and Erica as two shining examples.
Coming from OZ where the water does not go hard, the traditional method was to have a water tank in an elevated position that would provide water until it ran out. You filled the tank by whatever was the preferred option. Worked then, still works now.
Jason Vath wrote:In the permaculture design manual, Chapter 7 - Water.
there's a brilliant diagram of gutters (see the circled one in the attached pic.)
Does this gutter design actually exist?
IF so, where can it be purchased?
Any experience with it?
There are variations on the top left design. We have something called a leaf eater that has worked well for us. http://rainharvesting.com/product/leaf-eater-original/ They do need to cleared out periodically and I still get leaves in my gutters. There are other similar options but it seems to me that the bigger your gutters and the more fall you have the better.
Joel Bercardin wrote: Not everybody has a rural acreage, and not everybody has even a back yard (many condo and apartment dwellers do not).
People often post on permies offering free land in exchange for working it. Permies.com could become a clearing house for connecting land-havers with land-needers. There's no lack of land available for people who want to work it. It just might not be in their personal yard.
Whilst I am a believer, I am lazy and I don't wish to be a farmer. I am retired with enough money to buy a property that could be good for permiculture. I would be happy for "others" to live off the land if I could have a house and a nice view. I think I might be a permiculture resource but as there is no clear way for me to set up something that might work I will continue to live in the city and consume resources.
Is there a solution?
It seems to me that there might be a way for me to use my retirement money to setup a property that could sustain me and "others" There are lots of people like me that could help establish permiculture properties if we could get a system that gives us old "rich folks" what we want.
As I live in Oz I forget about people living where the water gets hard BUT I imagine that northern Pakistan and parts surrounding get pretty cold. I'm afraid I don't know how it would stand up to frozen winter conditions.
from the World housing encyclopedia
Dhajji Dewari is a timber frame with stone and earth infill, typically used in the mountain regions of South Asia. Similar construction is used around the world, under different names. Himis is a Turkish variation, used to help reconstruct after their 1999 earthquake. In Portugal, builders have used Gaiola Pombalina since a 1755 Lisbon earthquake rocked the city. Lastly, Italy uses Casa Baraccata another timber frame, stone infill construction.
I've seen gabbions used to slow down water, they seem to work well. I've also seem bails of hay staked to the bottom to do the same thing (don't last as long) or sand/earth bags.
A personal wishful idea is to combine rocks and cobb in gabbions as a wall construction technique. It could be different types of building rubble in place of rocks if they were more available. This is a variation on a technique used in northern Pakistan an there abouts where they use basic timber framing with rocks and cobb to make walls. These have proved to be very earthquake resistant. https://permies.com/t/47813/easy-stone-construction-Dhajji-Dewari. Withe mud render on the outside it would look good.
I've also wondered about rocks on the outside and earthbags on the inside to take up space.
Our house was built in the 50s and is an old design for that period. It was built with a brick hearth for the open fire and another for a wood fired stove in the kitchen. These were built on their own foundations separate from the rest of the house which is all wood.
You could cut through your floor and build your heater on it's own foundation. You could support any weight you like this way and it should last forever. It's a lot of work though
In the mud brick homes of the 70s & 80s near me one of the most popular floors was bricks set in sand and grouted with sand. If the sand base was on gravel then any moisture would drain away. If your expecting lots of water then a floor drain would be needed. If you are in a cold climate then under floor heating would seem to be a worthwhile addition.
Hi Dylan good luck with your brewery. Beer is good!! (I'm from Oz so I'm biased)
The 1st rocket heater you listed is designed to heat water thats under pressure like in your water pipes at home. There is an amount of inefficiency in the design thats necessary to avoid the explosions that occur when water is turned to steam in a pressure vessel (known as boom squish)
If you only need to heat 200 lt you can use an open top vessel like you were describing in your 2nd rocket heater.
The general approach of your 2nd heater will work fine but you may like to consider a J tube or even a batch burner. The batch burner is more complicated to build but generates more heat for a given size. If these terms are new to you then more reading on Permies and http://donkey32.proboards.com/ will help. (I just saw that you have found donkey's forum)
These designs can be made as big as you will want so achieving your aim is not at issue but finding the best type and size will affect wood consumption.
Jerry McIntire wrote:Store the water inside your house and get two benefits (at least): freeze protection and heat storage. Place the water storage where winter sunlight will strike the tanks-- somewhere near the south-facing windows. This was popular in the 70's and 80's because water is the best thermal mass commonly available. It holds much more heat than concrete or wet sand. This is simple passive solar design. The difference is you need a way to keep the drinking water clean, and a way to pump it out for use. I can see two systems, a small one for drinking/cooking water and a larger one for bathing, laundry, and (optional) flushing (composting toilets would save you a tremendous amount of water). The latter would be less costly since the water would not have to be as pure.
If you think of the water as (moveable) mass then having it inside could be quite an advantage. You could use a thermosyphon from your stove to capture (waste) heat if the solar approach is insufficient.
Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:No matter which 'Ant' ... I love seeing the daily life in Ant Village. Because of your age, I think your experiences there are the most encouraging for me (being 60 now ...)
I have a very specific problem. I need to treat dish water in an above ground system ie. something I can fit in a box or tub. The water would then go onto the garden. There would seldom be more than 2 sinks worth a day say 6 gallons, 25 litres. It needs to be cheap, cheap, cheap
Are there any free plans or general approaches that would suit this situation.