I live in Olympia, WA and I'm hoping to raise some Icies this year. I guess a hatchery in Bellingham that had some had to cull thousands of them because of avian flu, and they're now hard to find. Is there a permie out there who has Icelandic chicks for sale in Western Washington? Or that is willing to ship to Western Washington?
It seems to me that PEP1/PEX1 is a useful Paul-ism that is shorthand for a curriculum/syllabus that helps to progressively build the skillsets necessary to work your land and provide for yourself in a low energy environment and with a low-to-no input ethos. Why would anyone want a curriculum or syllabus centered around building such skills? It's not like universities around the world use such tools as the syllabus to help organize the knowledge they're passing on, right?
In all seriousness though, I think the usefulness of PEP1/PEX1 is not just in the building of skills for someone who maybe ends up going to a PEP1 training on Paul's land and then tries to convince Mike Oehler to will them his land. I think it's usefulness lies most heavily in it's ability to organize the things which permies might not know they don't know into an easy to follow skill building agenda. I think such a curriculum is just what permaculture needs. And not just one curriculum, but many, because what I need for PEK1 here in western WA is going to be somewhat different than what Paul needs in PEP1, or what anyone needs in PEX1. And it's not just regional, but personal as well. I might spin up a PEK1: Cooking, because I love to cook, while someone else might not if they don't do the majority of cooking for their family/friends/community. Permaculture is not lacking for people who're willing to teach skillsets, but it's my opinion that a lot of the teaching in permaculture is lacking an organized progression of skillsets, ie a curriculum. PEX1 seems to offer that, with the quirky Paul twist that we all have come to love. Structurally, there's no difference in calling it a white-, green-, brown-, or blackbelt in gardening, etc., than there is in calling college courses 100, 200, 300, and 400 level courses. However, I think it's much more exciting to think about earning my blackbelt in gardening than to think of myself as having 400-level knowledge in gardening.
So, to really answer your question Paul, I think there is tremendous value in creating an organized structure for learning skills necessary to living a low energy, low impact lifestyle. More serious students of permaculture can use it as a credential on their "permaculture resume" when offering consulting or WWOOFer/GAPer services, and less serious students can have a reference that helps them build the skills necessary to implement projects on their own land in a low-energy/input/consumption/impact type of way. And of course, if Paul's PEP1 lists are TOO low energy for some people, Paul has graciously invited everyone to build their own PEX1 that is tailored to the way they want to implement their designs. A win/win for everyone!
My one criticism (constructive I assure you) is that it should not just be a list of progressively more difficult goals. Once the goals are decided upon, I think at least each belt level within a subject, and possibly every goal within a belt level, should eventually be accompanied by references that can help teach the student how to be able to achieve that goal. In a PEK1: Gardening white belt, I might recommend to people that they read "Gardening When it Counts" by Steve Solomon, "Growing Vegetables West of the Cascades" by Steve Solomon, and "The Vegetable Gardener's Guide to Permaculture" by Christopher Shein. Additionally, I'd probably recommend they watch "World Domination Gardening" from Paul, other gardening videos on YouTube, etc., or if I was really taking PEK1 seriously, I'd start making my own PEK1: Gardening training videos on YouTube, and perhaps be able to develop that into an income stream. I haven't started working on PEK1, so please don't take my recommendations too seriously if you live in western WA, but I think my point comes across. The value of thinking about permaculture skillsets in an organized, curriculum like fashion, with goals necessary to achieve a certain level of competency, as well as references that can help you achieve those goals, seems to me to have tremendous benefit no matter what you're doing with the skillset once you have it.
And now, I guess it's time for me to get started on developing PEK1.
My special lady friend and I just bought a house on 1.5 acres, most of which is going to find itself designed into intensive permaculture production over the coming years. However, we like sprawling on some "lawn" as much as the next guy, and we have a spot that will end up being between 0.05 - 0.1 acres that we leave as Wheaton Style Lawn. I'm trying to figure out the best way to trim the lawn, and was hoping for some suggestions.
I'd like to leave the height of everything a minimum of 4 inches. The choices I've narrowed it down to are a scythe, or a Fiskars push mower.
The Fiskars that I've found has been discussed in the forums before, but nobody seemed to give it a definitive "love it/hate it" opinion, so I was hoping others might have some feedback.
The other option I've been thinking about is a scythe, but are these good for mowing 4 inches or higher? Is there too much human error in keeping it high off the ground, or is it simply a matter of fitting the scythe to yourself properly and the blade sort of naturally swings where you want the height to be?
Finally, I've found this thread where someone mentions they borrowed this scythe from Paul... does anyone know which scythe is "Paul Wheaton Approved?" I'd love to get a scythe from Permaculture Magazine's shopping website, but can't quite afford the Cadillac of scythe's yet, and have instead been considering this brand on Amazon. Does anyone have any feedback on those? Is that the brand pictured in the thread I linked to above that Paul loaned to Mr. Aiuppa?
Thanks for any and all help/opinion that anyone contributes... I value everyone's input tremendously!
Does anyone have suggestions for the best permaculturey ways to manage an already existing septic system?
My fiancee and I just bought a home on 1.5 acres in Oly, WA. It's a "traditional" home that already has plumbing and a septic system. We have found many of the general septic best practices, and we plan to compost all organic matter and not use the food "disposal" in our sink. We won't be flushing much of anything besides toilet paper, and we want to re-plumb much of our house into a greywater system. Meaning, we probably won't be putting much into our septic tank other than toilet flushes.
I'd like to bypass the septic altogether by doing humanure, but I don't know if we can get away with it where we live. In the even that we can't, does anyone have suggestions on how best to manage our septic system in a permaculture fashion? My goals are:
1) Toxin free septic management
2) Minimize how frequently we need to pump the septic system
3) Utilize the septic system as little as possible, with the exception of poop since we might not be able to get away with switching to compost toilets.
Any and all permaculture best practices for utilizing a septic system that's already in place would be awesome and helpful. Thanks!
(Note to moderators: Sorry if this is the wrong forum for this topic!! I couldn't decipher any that might be THE spot for this question.)
I thought that the Permies forums might be a great place to share my final design project for Geoff Lawton's Online PDC. If anyone is interested in taking a look, I appreciate and look forward to your feedback! I'm thick skinned, but please be as kind as you are critical. It's my first ever design, so I'm sure I made plenty of mistakes, and I look forward to any constructive criticism that is offered!
Judith Browning wrote:wonderful pictures! thanks for posting them
My pleasure! I feel privileged to have witnessed it, and what better place to share than on permies? I wish I had had the wherewithal to video record the mama laying the eggs, but I was too entranced by it, and only thought of documenting and sharing after she had finished. I'll keep an eye out though... maybe I'll be able to catch her or another mom in action soon!
The sun just went behind a cloud, so I was able to get a really good one of an egg group. How cool! Also, in order to make this post something of a brick, I'll use the awesome power of observation to anecdotally assume that hop plants are good ladybug habitat.
I was sitting on my balcony where I have some hop plants growing in pots, and doing some reading. I noticed a particularly huge ladybug doing a funny butt wiggle, and the I realized she was laying eggs! I sat and observed for a while, and took some photos that I thought I'd share here. Some of the focus isn't the best because I took these photos with my cell phone, but I hope you find them as interesting as I do!
That last bit that you entered about extending the deadline to August 16th... is it in an email from them, or a .pdf somewhere in the members site? Somehow I haven't gotten the Aquaculture email like I usually do on Saturdays, so I wasn't sure.
I want to revive this topic. Does English Laurel have any useful function in a permaculture system? It is rampant in Portland, and I'm wondering if it can be used as any support of support species, be it fodder, mulch, or anything else?
Several of the houses I'm looking at buying here in Portland are hedged with English Laurel. If I buy one of these, and if I want to replace this hedge with some kind of fedge, do I want to leave any of the Laurel? Can I use it as mulch, compost, hugel core, etc.?
But Mike, there's so much Geoff! How can we help ourselves?!
I just got mine today as well. I live in Portland, OR, for anyone who's following this thread and wants a rough ETA.
I'm VERY excited about the bonus "Geoff Lawton Collection" DVD's. I've wanted them for years! But not to worry, I'll try hard not to burn myself out. There's lots of work to be done, and all of us in the class are just getting started.
I just wanted to blatantly bump this blatant advertising post... but only because I did 2 episodes of my new podcast that I think permies will like.
Episode 4, published on Thursday, is called "Permaculture, My First Generalist Love" and is about my viewpoint on the Permaculture Ethics and principles. I think permies.com folks will like this one if they also like Paul's take on the Ethics.
Episode 5, published on Friday, is called "Wealth and Why It Isn't Just Money" and is about my thoughts on wealth and other ways of looking at it. A large portion of the episode talks about the 8 forms of capital as described by permaculture practitioner and teacher Ethan Roland.
Please check out my podcast if you have time! It's at The Specialization Is For Insects Podcast, and I'm working hard to make it awesome.
Finally, I promise not to abuse the blatant advertising forum here on permies. I will only "bump" this post if there is an episode that largely deals with permaculture or homesteading stuff, and ONLY THEN if it seems like folks care about it after I do. I don't want to bother anyone, I just want to spread the word on what I think is good info being produced, and another way to infect people's brains with permaculture!
I've launched a new podcast, called the Specialization Is For Insects Podcast. It's largely going to be about permaculture, but in a sneaky way. I plan on slipping permaculture and homesteading in and out of a podcast that seems like it's about a bunch of other stuff. I think I'll be able to infect a lot of brains this way, without as much of the backlash about "hippie" permaculture type stuff. If you're interested, please check me out at http://www.sifipodcast.com and the let everyone you think might be interested know about it. Thanks!
I was listening to the Rob Roy podcast episode today, and in it Paul suggested asking in the forums if anyone has land they'd like to sell. So I figured why not?! My partner and I are looking to buy a decent piece of land, say 10+ acres, in the Gorge area of Washington/Oregon somewhere between Hood River and The Dalles. I won't list many qualifications on the land since I have no idea what the response might be, except to say that it's preferable that it's not much more than an hour commute to The Dalles, where my partner will likely be working as a nurse. Since she'll be working 12 hour days, anything more than an hour is not only bad for the environment, but is likely to wear heavily on her.
If you have land, or know someone who has land that is at least 10 acres and within an hour of the hospital in The Dalles, and that they want to sell to a permie who has plans for it just as awesome as anything Sepp Holzer himself has ever come up with, please respond! We can talk details from there.
Wondering if any permies in the Portland/Vancouver area wanna meetup for coffee/a hike/whatever sometime. I'm somewhat new to Portland, and would like to meet some new folks, especially in this community. I live in Hillsdale and work in the Pearl, so anywhere around or in between would be fine with me!
My girlfriend and I are planning on doing almost exactly the same thing (reading your post freaked me out a little as it could've been me who wrote it) when she finishes nursing school. We currently reside in Western Oregon, and are planning on staying here or going back up to Western Washington where her family lives.
We're leaning towards the Gorge area, (Wasco county is a pocket of freedom, and still gets enough rainfall to be a viable homestead option) or Thurston County, and we'd like to have at least 30 acres to call our own. Both places offer plenty of properties that might be able to be subdivided into 30 or 40 acre parcels, and would be much more affordable with 2 or more families buying in rather than just one.
Some of the things you mention also lead me to believe you might be a TSP listener. If so, I've been listening to Jack since around episode 80, and I'm very much in agreement with his thoughts on homesteading.
If you want to chat more, either to bounce ideas around to see if we're a good fit, OR if you want some tips on land in this area, let me know. I'm happy to help you as much as I can even if we decide a pseudo-partnership might not work out.
My blog is a work in progress, because I don't yet have land... so the blog is more of a place for me to document ideas that I have so I can remember them later once I actually have land. I'm also trying to use it as a vehicle to spread permaculture to my friends and family, and anyone who'll listen. Recently I've been working on a series on the Prime Directive and the Ethics... they're pretty good if I do say so myself. Read them on my site and leave a comment if you would please!
In a very recent podcast, Paul mentioned a kickstarter that had something to do with him getting land. Anyone have an idea what the name of that kickstarter is? Or perhaps have a link? I doubt I could convince my girlfriend to move to Montana so we could join Paul's community (which I would totally love to do), so the next best thing I can do is support Paul in his search.
Near the end of the podcast, Alex and Paul talk about Sepp's water methods and practices. I'm wondering if there was any discussion around this during the most recent Sepp visit? If not, does anyone know any good resources where I could learn more? Is Sepp a student of Schauberger, or does he do his own thing?
I would love if Sepp wrote a book about his beliefs around water. Maybe we can get this thread to be a big discussion around the topic, then Paul can present the thread to Chelsea Green, Maddy Harland, and Sepp as proof that it would be a great seller. Please help!
Hello! I live in SW Portland, and I'm interested in volunteering on a farm or homestead nearby. I'm willing to do and learn anything that you need from me, including the less savory things involving manure, hard manual labor, etc.
I have two main considerations:
1) I work a retail job, so my schedule fluctuates. If you are a homesteader/farmer in need of ad hoc volunteering, that will work well for me. If you only accept volunteers on Saturdays or some similar situation, I won't be able to help as much as you or I would like, but I may still be interested.
2) I primarily transport myself via bus and bike. If you are well served by busline that comes within a few miles of your place, I'd love to volunteer for you. If getting to your farm by some combination of the two would take over 2 hours, it would make for a really long day.
I know that those are not necessarily the best situations to be in as a volunteer, but it is my current situation, and I can't help that I'm still powerfully interested in getting involved with a local farm and helping them out. If you think we might be a good fit for each other, please get in contact with me.
I just went through one of if not the most painful experience of my life. I was making armadillo eggs (I'll post a link to the recipe at the bottom for anyone who's interested... they're delicious), and for them I quartered and de-seeded 6 medium to large sized jalapenos.
After finishing making them and throwing them in the oven, I took the insides of the jalapenos and started stripping the seeds off to save for planting. After spreading the seeds out on a towel to dry, I washed my hands thoroughly with soap and water, and figured I was in the clear. A bit later, I sneezed and covered my face with my hands, then grabbed a hanky and wiped my nose off. Within a minute, my nose was on fire... inside, underneath, and on top of my nose. I tried to grab a tissue and blow my nose, which I think only made it worse. I hopped into the shower and turned it on as cold as I could stand and stood there with my hands right above my knees (more on that later) with my face in the water, which did provide immediate pain relief. During this time, my girlfriend was looking up remedies on the internet and found something that said milk will neutralize the capsaicin. The only milk we had to try was some very fresh raw cow's milk we got from a nearby farm, so we tried it because I didn't want to wait. It worked wonders, and within about 5 minutes of holding my nose in a bowl of milk, the burning sensation was all but completely eliminated.
1) Make sure to wear gloves when seeding jalapenos. After reading the capsicum article on wikipedia, I learned in the section on capsaicin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsicum#Capsaicin_in_capsicum) that the capsaicin is mostly concentrated in the placental tissue that holds the seeds, and in the white pith around the seeds. Wearing gloves while doing this is probably common sense to everyone else, but I'm foolhardy so I thought that gathering the seeds from only 6 peppers would be fine.
2) Milk works really well to neutralize the burn if you do accidentally expose your face/nose/eyes to too much capsaicin. Like I said, after holding my nose in a bowl of milk for 5 minutes, it was pretty much cured. In the same wikipedia article linked to above, it says capsaicin is lipophilic, meaning it's fat-soluble. This leads me to hypothesize that the raw milk I was using was pretty much the best possible option to use. The more fat in the milk, the more fat there is to quickly dissolve the capsaicin. Further, my girlfriend (who is in nursing school), explained to me that mucus membranes like those in your nose are like skin with all of the water-proofing of normal skin removed. Since milk is mostly water with some fats (whole milk is usually considered to be 4% milk-fat) the milk is able to get into the mucus membranes and go to work quickly.
3) Capsaicin won't penetrate really thick skin like your hands, feet, knees, etc. Unless you rub it in, you won't necessarily feel the burning in your hands. Keep this in mind before touching anything else if you decide to ignore the advice in lesson 1. Just because your hands aren't burning doesn't mean something else won't. In other places on your skin where there aren't as many layers of skin, just a bit of rubbing will penetrate the capsaicin into your skin deep enough to burn. So, remember earlier when I said I'd say more about putting my hands right above my knees? Well, I hadn't gotten all of the capsaicin off of my hands yet when in the shower running water over my face, and so I ended up exposing my skin there to a hefty quantity of capsaicin. The skin on my legs didn't hurt for a little while, in fact not until after my nose had already stopped burning. I think this is due to the fact that the skin there is thicker, though not as thick as my hands, and so it took a while to penetrate my skin. I think this fact also helps explain the next lesson.
4) Milk doesn't work as well on non-mucus membrane skin. We put a milk soaked towel on my knees, which I let sit there for about 10 minutes (double the amount of time it took to make my nose feel better). The burning sensation lasted for another hour or so before going away. My girlfriend and I hypothesize that the "waterproofy-ness" of my skin there kept the milk-fats from getting to the penetrated capsaicin and therefore didn't work well at neutralizing the pain entirely once the milk-towel was taken away. The milk did, however, provide temporary relief while cool and on my skin.
As I am writing this, I'm experiencing minor irritation on the backs of my hands as well. In an attempt to learn as much from this experience as I can without having to repeat it, I've rubbed olive oil into the skin on the backs of my hands. If it works in quickly neutralizing the burn, I think it lends further credibility to lesson number 4, and a solution if the burning happens to be in regular skin and not in a mucus-membrane area. I'll reply to this post with what I learn.
I know this is all very anecdotal with only minor wikipedia research and the words of my (very intelligent, but that's anecdotal to you I guess dear reader) girlfriend to back it up, but I hope this helps people avoid this problem themselves, or get themselves out of trouble if they don't heed lesson #1. Finally, here is the link to the recipe I found. Worth it? I don't know, but they are delicious... and maybe if this post helps some other people out then the experience will be worth it. http://ourlifeinfood.com/2012/05/14/armadillo-eggs/
And here are a last few links to read about if you're curious about the workings of capsaicin and how I came to some of the conclusions that I have:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray#Deactivation_and_first_aid (This one mentions the "five often-recommended remedies," of which milk was mentioned. I can conclusively say that milk worked wonders on my nose, and not on the rest of me. It also mentions nothing about oil dissolving it. I'll share my olive oil experiment with you tomorrow.)
For some reason, when I first wake up in the morning is when my mind tends to have insightful -- but mostly crazy -- thoughts. So, let the debunking... erhm... discussion begin!
What if the Mima Mounds in western Washington are the site of some ancient hugelkultur beds? Perhaps their fertility has long since run through, so they maintain their structure but can currently only support prairie. Or perhaps they were designed that way. There is a lot of gravel in the mounds, so perhaps the first peoples in the region were attempting to grow prairie plants that were more suited to a warmer climate?
I'm probably crazy and way off base, but for some reason one of the first thoughts in my head this morning was "maybe the Mima Mounds are really ancient hugelkultur beds."
So what causes sap flow? In any tree that can be tapped for it anyway. Does a tree feel the need to get the juices flowing after a freeze to make sure all of its part stay alive? Does the sap flow after a freeze for this reason? Or is it just what they do after a period of dormancy? Does the period of dormancy have to be a certain length of time to even get a sap flow, or does the length of dormancy determine the magnitude of the sap flow?
Someone once told me that Bigleaf maples couldn't be tapped for syrup... once again proving why I love this community and why I shouldn't believe everything I hear. Thanks for that link. I am still curious if Sugar Maples would do well here or not... never hurts to diversify.
Does anyone have experience with growing Northeast Sugar Maple in the pacific northwest? Obviously Bigleaf/Oregon Maple does well here, and so I'm wondering what, if anything, would prevent Sugar Maple from thriving in that niche and producing a syrup yield on top of the regular leaf litter and timber yield that maples can provide.
Has anyone successfully incorporated sugar maple into a food forest here? Are their microclimate issues that would prevent a sugar maple from yielding delicious syrup that can be designed into a food forest to circumvent the climate differences between the northwest and northeast?
Thanks to anyone who has thoughts on or experience with trying to produce maple syrup in the PNW.
My girlfriend and I just relocated to Portland, and we are in search of a quality egg producer. We're in an apt complex for now, and so can't keep chickens of our own. We've looked into eggs at the Food Front Co-op, but the kind of quality stuff they have there is out of our price range. Is there anyone in the SW area of Portland who has some surplus eggs that they might be willing to sell us for around $4 a dozen? I can't justify $7.50 a dozen just to pay for an organic certification for a larger chicken producer.
If you are a backyard chicken keeper who produces the quality of eggs espoused frequently in this forum, please contact me!
But as far as storability (not sure if that's a word), they're on par? I don't make or eat a lot of pastries, and usually use my saved bacon grease when frying up some other meat, or roasting vegetables. Will bacon grease keep as long is really what I'm wondering, or do I have to do some kind of secondary rendering?
Sorry, I wrote and posted the above only about a minute after your 2nd reply. I definitely will look into getting a strainer like that. And so far I keep my bacon grease on the counter. I'll keep experimenting, and if I "find out the hard way" I'll let people know.
So can I safely consider my bacon squeezin's lard? I feel like there can't be much of a difference between the lard that was rendered in this video, and the bacon grease that is left in my cast iron after breakfast. If I pour that through a cheese-cloth and store it similarly, will it keep just as long?
I'm paleo and I tend to end up with quite a lot of bacon grease, and I'd like to figure out if there is anything extra I need to do to effectively and safely store it longer term so I have time to use it up.
It looked to me as if it was close to the ground. If I'm right about that, my first guess is someone with a headlamp on who was out looking around, perhaps walking a dog. A possible contributing factor, and I'm not one to comment on the shakiness of your other videos, I love all of them; but perhaps said shakiness contributed to the appearance of something flying around erratically, when it was really just car headlights, or someone with a bright headlamp?
My 2nd guess would be that someone was talking with Ernie about heating water with a rocket mass heater, and Ernie got so fed up with it that his body spontaneously turned into a ball of fission powered light and smote the fool in fantastic fashion.
Hello! If you are looking to rent to 2 permies moving to Portland next month, please read this entire post! I have a unique and interesting proposal that has to do with my Airstream trailer, but I'm open to any rental opportunity there might be within the permies community in Portland. Please keep reading through the trailer stuff, even if you can't accommodate one!
My girlfriend and I are relocating to Portland next month so she can attend nursing school. We are hoping to find some urban homesteaders in the Portland area who might have just enough space to accommodate a 28' Airstream trailer. It wouldn't need to be a traditional trailer pad, as we would only need somewhere to plug in an extension cord from time to time, and something to hook up a garden hose to get some water for showering, etc. We're sporting a composting toilet as designed in the "Humanure Handbook", so blackwater isn't an issue the way it is for normal trailers. If you have or are willing to have a humanure pile, we'd happily help maintain it and contribute to your fertility. If you don't have or don't want to have a humanure pile, we know other permies in Portland who'd let us haul it to their place, which I'd happily do. (Unfortunately, those friends of ours don't have room for our Airstream.) We only use toxin-free stuff (like Dr. Bronners or 7th Generation) when washing our dishes and taking showers, so our greywater would be very safe for your trees and whatever else you might be interested in diverting greywater to. We're also willing to use something else if those soaps don't meet your homestead standards.
We're both permaculture minded folks. I'm very willing to help around the homestead in the garden or with other homesteading projects. My girlfriend would probably love to as well, but she will be quite busy as her program is an accelerated one and so she won't have much time for other things. We're quiet and peaceful, and would respect you, your space, your privacy, and your land. We're hoping to find someone who might be willing to rent us the space for between $250 and $350 a month. That range is an ideal, but we're willing to chat if you have something else in mind. I have a stable job that I'm relocating from Olympia to Portland for, and we're both responsible people who will pay our rent, our share of utilities, of internet, etc., in a timely and respectful manner. Finally, we're hoping to find a place that is within an hour's commute by bike or public transit to the OHSU campus, since that is where she's going to school, and I'll be working close by there as well (in the Pearl district). That's why I specified "urban homesteader," but if you're less urban but about an hour's commute from that area, we're all ears.
If this seems like an arrangement you might be willing and able to make, please reply to this or send me a private message!
Lastly, if you happen to have a rental opportunity (such as a guest house, an empty basement, an empty trailer but not room for another trailer, etc), please get in touch with me anyway. I have friends in Olympia that would love to borrow my Airstream while my girlfriend is in school, so I'd be willing to rent your space, if it meets that hour commute time restriction. The $250-350 ideal range obviously wouldn't apply to many of those situations, but I'm open most anything. We're really just hoping to find some cool permaculture minded people to share community with while we're down in Portland, and we're open to all ideas.
I think that Paul and his thoughts are so excellent, that if he decided to take the time to record a narrative of his morning constitutional, I would listen to it and feel confident that I would glean some "nugget" of wisdom in there somewhere. Keep doing what you're doing Paul, and do it however you like.
And speaking of PIE, many of the comments in this thread (as well as countless episodes of the podcast) gave me enough of a chuckle that I've decided to put my money where my mouth is. Paul, I like what you're doing so much that I want to buy you a slice of pie to say thanks. I'm sending $5 via Tip the Web. And I'm going to try to encourage those than can afford to do so to do the same thing. In that spirit, my sign-off is...
If you like this sort of thing, send Paul a few bucks via Tip the Web, so we can enjoy PIE, and he can eat pie... ALL the time.