Tests done on cows milk from horned and dehorned cows found that the milk was a better quality from the horned cows. I also contemplate that because the horns grow naturally, there might be important reasons why they are growing - one of these reasons is the ability to get rid of excess heat from the body when they need to, maybe there are other reasons that haven't been discovered yet?
Kate, can you give a source for the cows milk quality information? The idea fascinates me, and I would love to read more about this.
Definitely the point for horns to rid excess heat is valid, and there are likely other reasons, though I always thought maintaining herd order would be an important one. Our head goat is disbudded, she is the boss of her sister and nieces who are all polled.
I don't think scurs need to be removed. A horn can grow into the skull if it is deformed in some way, but a scur would not get through. I think a goat would rub it off if it was annoying them, and the one big nanny here that is not polled, usually loses her scurs while head butting
Living in the wet tropics with goats, their hooves need trimming at least every 4 weeks. There are rocks and concrete for them all, but it doesn't seem to help though many sources suggest it will.
After kidding last year there were 17 goats here for a few months, ok each hoof has 2 "toes" to trim, times 4 feet, times 17 goats, is waaay more trimming than I ever want to do again.
Down to ten goats now, that is my maximum :)
I really feel that hoof trimming is the dirty secret goat owners don't talk about. One time I cut too deep and the goat had to stay in his pen for 3 days, with a sulphur powder filled sock on the hoof - terrible goat owner guilt from that. This must be not uncommon. Also cutting oneself while trimming, happened a few times in my early goat days.
Have holidays when a goat is in milk been mentioned? Try finding some one to look after and milk your goats while you nip off for a week/weekend hahaha
Many great points on this thread. I think you could easily have the same theme on just about any pet/farm animal.
I am a bit in love with your starting point - that cabbage tree is gorgeous, and in a good looking spot. Native to Aotearoa/New Zealand, the Maori name is Ti kouka (said "tea COE ca" [COE rhymes with toe!])
When I bought mine, I bought men's boots because that is all they had.
I now have a bunion so I never buy women's shoes as the toe box is way too narrow.
I also never wore my rubber boots with socks. And they might have been a size too large as there was lots of room in my rubber boots.
Absolutely agree with man boots over lady boots - 2 years later my often worn gumboots are in great condition because they are built for work rather than for prancing in puddles as lady boots always seem to be. Specifically they lack stability for farm work as the sole is thin and delicate when compared to decent mens normal thick soled boots.
I also never wear socks with my gummys, well I am in the subtropics, but who has time to put socks on?!
When I cut a piece of thread, I hang it from one hand and pinch it lightly with my other thumb and finger and slide down to the end a couple of times. This seems to remove a bit of the twist and reduces the problem. Despite that, I often still have to do so again part way through sewing with it. I think the key is to do so before it becomes a knotted mess.
Oh I was so confused reading about the twisty thread at first, until I got to THIS comment, and realised I do exactly this too, just hadn't thought much about it but likely I do it because of twists in the past (because we all have a few twists in the past, right? ;)
I don't know if it may make sewing easier, but I do not tie a knot in the end of the thread. I sew several tiny stitches instead (inspired by sewing machines back-and-forthing) It seems quicker than knots.
In the wet tropics every organic garden and their dog (so to speak) has elder bushes. But they don't taste as good as the wild ones in New Zealand, which led me to researching and discovering there are different cultivars, and so this one must be a dud >_<
I BOUGHT a plant that was sent through the mail, (feeling rich one day) supposedly is a European variety (unnamed) so hoping to repopulate/overpopulate the rampant supposedly american variety that has helped establish our gardens.
Do you know about the safety of feeding the leaves to ruminant animals specifically goats? They tend to refuse foods that are not good for them, but always love the elder leaves when offered.
The sample pages of your book are goooood :) Do you offer it in ebook format, or have a stockist in Oz?
One more question!!! Do you know an elder stockist in Oz with named varieties?? (I have read of a pink flowering elder, this sounds lovely.)
A Naharudin wrote:My favorite tree is Snake fruit, of course. I'm a snake fruit farmer by the way.
- The fruit taste great
- Many health benefits in it
- Makes good/straight posts for fences due to its spines
- Good commodity, even though it's cheap but we can harvest tons of snake fruit
- We can use snake fruit to make a coffee, wine, pickled etc
- It is slowly hitting the global market
- The fruit is available year round
- It is an exotic fruit
Snake fruit is definitely one of my favourite fruits. I was told the tree is so spikey because elephants would eat them and be one of the only creatures to be able to get through the spikes to the delicious fruits!
I also love breadfruits and the large leaves mesmerize me with their shape.
Related to monkey puzzle (though I never heard the monkey tree could have edible nuts) is the deeeeelicious bunya/boonya/bunya bunya nut. A gloriously shaped tree, I often drive past some that are sporadic in some fields, and think they look like giant triffids on their way to get you....or like the alien crafts in Jeff Waynes War of the worlds....but in a nice way! I think I mean to say that they look quite sentient (especially these ones as the corner before has an evil african tulip tree on it for comparison http://bobthebeeman.com.au/african-tulip-tree-ebook.asp)
Chris Kott wrote:It occurred to me to wonder how much the mechanics of the female form affect ergonomics. I mean, and correct me if I am wrong, there are physiological differences, such as the jointing of the elbows, for instance, due to either childbirth-related accomodation or because of the more pronounced difference in musculature between men and women.
I suppose I am wondering how much, and to what extent, these differences could influence not only ergonomic tool design for women, but ergonomic techniques involving normal homesteading and permacultural tasks that might look at female physiology and indicate better, more effective movements for normal labourious tasks.
This could offer support for the decision to focus on female instructors, and offer appeal to a female-centric audience in a solid, brown permaculture sort of way. Who might know better about leveraging the strengths of female body mechanics than actual female instructors who engage in natural building or shovelwork, or any number of things.
Chris, It will be good if somebody who knows about this thoroughly would reply here! But my 2 cents, is that any differences are not necessary to be focused on when talking about physical activities. The main difference I think would be, males tend to have their strength based in the upper/thoracic body, and females tend to have strength base in the hips and core area. Each person is different of course. But if you cant hold a chainsaw at arms length and use it, but you can comfortably hug the lead elbow into your hip and 'shoot straight from the hip' well you are going to know right away what ability you have.
In the yoga classes my SO and I attend, the teacher does not make any separatism between sexes in the exercises, and she has a degree in some biology muscle thingy, (sorry but I have a mental block to any schooling information!), in class she constantly explains which muscles we are using and how/why/what they do, using latin names and pointing them out on herself.
I also love discovering. Most permies do I hope. So, I would love to be wandering on that rocky volcano road and finding that pretty little flower. Bush rambling, discovering new and known plants. Even better if I can eat or use them (is the star flower edible?)
I love team building exercises...funnily enough I can't think of a single one right now! Though there was one once i almost remember, something about a rope that you all hold and it twists round a bit so you have to undo it to straight without anyone letting go? Building personalty, confidence, team strength, trust, patience, acceptance, facing challenges.....
Also building physical things is great, learning to use a chainsaw and/or other tools you have never used, breath exercises, advice and exercises for engaging different muscle groups for safer lifting, tasks, etc.
I love pink clothes, but only for 9% of my life so far!
Title first, especially such a good title as yours. Author name very visible, but a bit smaller than the title.
Do you have an index? If a book is many pages, I love a good index ")
Resources can be good, especially if it is more books - often I have tried a website from this part of a book to find it has dissolved into the web, like frost in the sunshine...
I like a bit about the author and their inspiration, but maybe you have that earlier in your book.
Anyone here growing Ullucus tuberosus? Marketed as Earth Gems in NZ, absolutely gorgeous root veg, quite small, but almost neon colours and sometimes spotty, pink, yellow, orange. Sort of like a yam so if it doesn't get too cold, or too hot, should pop up again in the same spot. Easy to grow, hard to find! Leaves edible too now that I remember my last patch, the thick leaves had coloured stems presumably related to the colour of the root.
Galangal - i think it is called "lesser galangal" and the "greater galangal" is a much bigger plant. Spicy scented leaves that the goats like too, and you have to use the roots fresh as they harden very quickly.
Taro - definitely, we have babies planted out from 1 original mama plant, and as easy to propagate as potato (cut off an eye while cooking a yum one, eat the rest and shove the eye into the mulch)
Queensland arrowroot - i don't know how similar this is to the previously mentioned arrowroot, and I don't have it in my own garden yet but friends do, and it is definitely perennial.
Sweet Potato! Our mound of it is from house slab prep, so its pretty big, aprox 20m long 3m wide 1+m high, and nearly 2 years old. Mostly a dense white skinned purple inside type that makes yumazing choco cake. And other stuff grows in there too, basically a food forest in the early stages. Um we actually use a mini loader to harvest them now with the digger bucket, 2 broken garden forks later was the lesson - use the machine!
Day lilies, and dahlias? Perennial, edible flowers, but the tubers of both are edible (my plants of both have LOVELY flowers at the moment but are tooooo young for me to dig any up and eat! Ask me in 2025...)
I have just bought 2 new root vegie plants a week ago from All Rare Herbs dot com, a peruvian parsnip (not maca) and Chinese keys (Boesenbergia rotunda). I have chinese scallions in a bed, also from them.
Chayote, choko. Mainly tasteless when mature, great for bulking any jam or used as a pie filling. Baby ones look cute in my vegie curry. Being a curcubit family, edible growing tips which are tasty. The seeds are my favourite bit sadly there isn't much in 1 choko. I have seen some plants many years old, they grow a large stem, thigh wide, if they have something to climb. My partner says this is not a root veg, as it is not the root you eat, but I think it is a grey area! It is not a fruit tree, and no other squash grow like this, do they?
Malcolm Thomas wrote:Yeah thanks for the reply mate , its the trees , i dont like chopping my trees and had thought about incorporating them into the idea of design. If i wipe em out i could loose an option , this is a great thought moment and walk around and visualize options before committing.
As for pruning yes , just have to get the tall ladder out . I gotta think about this one .
I will have to break out the camera and fight with technology and post some pics.
Are you in QL ?
You know what they say, break eggs, make omelette. Find some nice goats to give the pruned pieces too, get some animal interaction energy healing. Or feed them direct to the ground and enjoy future microbial action.
QL, QLD, queensland, the queens land, terrible name for a piece of Oz, a country that has no treaty between the invaders and the Indigenous peoples.
If I built a greenhouse, or Walipini here, it would be to grow durian and mangosteen fruits...they grow on the coast 2hrs drive for me but I am 850m high.
I think the dog in the time lapse is good. Adds a random element and apparently lots of people like dogs ;)
Are you vegetarian? That food looks mighty good. Would it be too much content for a single video to have some acrobatics, then gardening inc. harvesting, then preparing of food? Or simpler, acrobatics IN the garden, followed by showing food prepared earlier.
Maybe you know more people with good gardens you could do acrobatics in for variety of plants and scenes.
However i will have to chop some small scrappy oak trees that are growing in the dip 6-8 inch dia.
In front of the banks ( to the south ) there are about 20 oak trees smalish that give dappled shade, could be a problem?, across the banks . These i dont want to chop.
You have painted a great descriptive image here. These oak trees to the south, could you prune side branches to allow more low light in as the trees grow up, OR, prune out the tops to help them bush outward, so that they actually hold more heat ( also known as "less cold") around the structure?
The small scrappy oak trees IN the dip, can you prune the branches but leave them there as however-high-you-can-allow sticks, for beans/tomatoes/vines to grow on and up, or even to hang your coat on them in winter?!
I worked in a box factory for 6 months here in Oz. Flat packed box pieces loaded by hand in one end of a machine, glued and folded mechanically, stacked by hand onto pallets then wrapped and fork lifted away. Worst job I ever had because of the tedious monotony and meaninglessness of it (packing fruit in a pack shed at least involves food directly) I got incredible arm muscles though from loading as many flat packs as possible at a time, and doing estimated 2,000 squats a day while lifting was fantastic for my back and legs too, so yay serotonin from exercise but boo to mental non-stimulation.
I asked someone there about this additives in cardboard issue/question.
The head engineer did his apprenticeship down south for 3 years in a paper mill.
Where the cardboard was made from trees.
Trees grown in plantations (I presume pine, as it is in kiwi land, but can't remember if he knew actually what trees were used nor if it was more than 1 type.)
The trees were loaded into GIANT shredders ("each as big this whole box factory" and that was a BIG shed) and blended up.
Then, with just water added, made into pulp. and into cardboard in other machines.
Definitely no other things put in there.
I asked about the dyes in the print, and the glues added in the box factory, his reply was " I only worked in a cardboard factory, not a printing or glue factory." Funny guy.
The above story of boxes from China not breaking down makes sense. I guess in Oz they have lots of room for "forests" so they don't need to use plastic in the cardboard. It burns clean, and breaks down fine that I have seen.
The glue issue, some boxes (not the flash ones we were making though) have only a single line of glue and no print. This would be easy to cut off. The glue will be whatever is cheapest, so the cynical me thinks abattoir discards (bones or skin boiled down for gelatinous substance?) but the brainy me thinks plant waste (corn stalks [GMO], sugar cane bagasse [i could ring a local sugar mill in the season and ask where their bagasse goes]) because its waste/free/easy to deal with.
Scott Billups wrote:Hello all. I love this thread.
I have 6-acres of land that I would like to add soil to. Wood chips are free to me, but how to turn the pile?
I was wondering if anyone has ever layed-down a tarp on the ground, with ropes & pulleys in surrounding trees, added wood chips and other additives, and then rolled the pile back-n-forth to turn it?
Am I crazy? Is a good pile of chips *way* too heavy to tumble in a tarp?
Yes this sounds crazy - i love the ideas stream, but tarps wear and tear fairly easily from heat and moisture (formed under a pile of wood chips for sure)
So I ask, why turn it at all ? Why pile it up? The chips should be spreadable as they are shouldn't they? It certainly is easy to pull weeds out from bark gardens, fungi love the wood decaying (mmm mycorrizal action) and if it is thick enough you can plant straight into it. Also the rough nature would be great if you need to add lime, dolomite etc for balancing the soil, just sprinkle, sprinkle on and the powders wont glug up in a layer.
Interesting, we have a goat that coughs also. Since he was approx 2 months old, and he is 6 months at time of writing this, we had him 1 month before coughing started. He was supposed to be our alpha male for breeding and is an adorkable miniature nubian cross goat.
In the beginning his cough sounded vicious. We gave him oral vitamin C and extra attention (pats and snacks from our garden) and the cough lessened but never left. He is healthy in every other way, and the local goat expert vet (just by phone thankfully not a paid consult) advised to monitor the goat and if nothing else seems wrong basically disregard the coughing. Hmph. Also vet said vit C is produced by goats so dosing him would have done nothing to help, blah blah.
Good advice here about possibly not breeding him. I feel he may have snuffled something non edible/dissoluble as a young curious kid that may be stuck somewhere in the airway. Vet thought that this is possible but more likely an allergy, yeah well seasons have changed now so unlikely a plant allergy.
We have blinds, lovely 2nd hand, so cheap, wooden ones. I do not like them solely because of the difficulty cleaning them, (rather have curtains you can take down and wash).
(Though for privacy and appearance they are pretty neat).
So when the discussion started between my SO and I about what to use on windows in new home, it came down to - he wanted blinds, I did not, so I would agree to having them only if he would be responsible for cleaning them. After several discussions, neither of us budging on opinions, he agreed. (and we did find very cheap 2nd hand ones, did I mention that?!)
Now, being wet season in the wet tropics, some of the blinds have a light dusting of mould and they need to be cleaned. It won't be by me! When guests come he tells me to pull them up so nobody will see the mould, great "cleaning" tip ;)
Wet wiping with a clove based spray, cleaning vinegar is good also, if the build up is thick enough a duster won't move it. Do 1 or half a blind a day if the slats are small to draw out the tedious task.
post note: we do have a big bottle of a local made natural mould cleaning now, so that can be sprayed on to our blinds once they are cleaned and should prevent fungal recolonisation for some time
So is this the native american paw paw? Because all the crazy people in australia, call papaya pawpaw, and it is just far too wide spread for me to educate them all. (I keep trying though)
Luckily these guys know what is what, if anyone in oz wants to buy it
If you can, do dry the pulp out, you can store it frozen until there is enough to justify turning on your dehydrator or oven. Once dry, blend it again so it is not lumpy but fine like flour. Then it will be ready to cook with like normal ground almonds. Keep in mind it has no binding qualities, so do use it with egg, gluten flour, psyllium, banana, or whatever turns on your binding desires when baking!
Great used in pie crusts, with either a spoon of salt or sugar if you want to go either way, like a quiche, or fruit pie, so roughly 1 egg per cup of dry pulp, precooked and then filled
Use it in smoothies, or, as Thekla states, don't strain it at all (though better blenders make it more smooth so will make it better in drinks)
Lots of "raw" food recipes can use nut pulp, my favourite is super simple, food processor or mix in a bowl the dry pulp with a liquid sweetener, like honey, oh maybe 1 or 2 tablespoons per cup of pulp, til you can form firm balls. Mix chocolate chips (or cacao nibs) or yummy currants or any dried fruit in by hand, roll into balls and squish flat into cookies. 3 ingredients and super tasty easy raw sweets
Cheap and easy way to mull wine, chai teabags simmered with red wine
Some years ago, my father was staying at a friends and had leftover mulled wine from their winter solstice dinner party. Also a big chunk of corned beef, prob 700+gms. So, inventive as always, decided to put them together in a slow cooker, top up with water to mostly cover the meat, and see what happens. I was visiting too, and it was Delicious! Capital d required.
It was I believe similar mull recipe to some of the ones posted here, with indian spices.
So good, we tried to recreate it few weeks later from scratch, but, as you can guess, it was better with the leftovers.
Possibly leftovers could be utilised in an pasta sauce, or mulled wine meatballs?
Definitely plantain. Soaking your feet in hot water and a warmed up serve of your refrigerator tea will be nice to do, maybe even beneficial
With mullein especially, a poultice on your chest will be good for healing.
I made a batch of basil vinegar once with overdone kombucha (organic balsamic is waaay too expensive for me)
I like your addition of a single clove, small but powerful.
Question - do you really pick the flowers off, so is it worth the effort for flavour not using the leaves and stems?
Okay sciency replies are great, but,
I am going with taste it and see! Lazy way to find out, if it tastes good, than its good, if its too sweet, let it sit longer, too tart, water it down a bit.
Sciency ways are way more accurate though
Oh, sorry i just reread correctly the original post, so my above technique, with tartness, don't water it down for canning. Sorted, a lazy way.
I enjoy dystopia stories, they may have elements of future truths, such as
Fareheit 451, 1966 film. Ray bradbury "predicted everything from flat-panel televisions to earbud headphones and twenty-four-hour banking machines." The actual book is great too
Recently i spent an enjoyable evening watching 'Withnail and I' and the glumness and lack of romance in it was refreshing, good solid script and well acted
OH! On the line of doomy british films, try 'Eat the rich' 1987 film, i recall its funny, gross, and probably not as doom and gloom as Dr Strangelove.
Idiocracy. Seems silly in the beginning, but try and roll with it, til your laughing at the shame of it!
Brave new world, the 1980 film versions true to the book, babies made in jars with genetic selection, anyone?
Soylent green, and, They live....depending on how you view the world, may seem rather poignant
Existenz, 1999 film, ah, i saw this at a film festival that year, one of my first in the genre....blurs reality with an interactive game
The quiet earth, 1985, maybe being Kiwi helps to appreciate this one, but it is theoretically a possible story line anyway
I doubt your library has them, but, the Spider Jerusalem graphic novels were a kicker to me, for conceivable future possibilty (though i rather hope not likely!)
Done, same result as Dave, as taken to main permies page after paypal purchase and then signing in, went into 'my stuff' to see purchase history. And there it is. Would also have prefered to buy download rather than live stream, well maybe i will learn to read before leaping in
I went with the first link 1 rather than the gifting option link 1. Just because. Booyah
Also, i got an email, with a link to watch the purchased vid, into my permies account linked email, not in my paypal linked email, so thats a winner. Though i did get one into paypal email too, asking me to sign up to watch...