In my first post in this thread, I mentioned I was a nonconformist. This os a good example. I suppose Im supposed to be thankful and go start the thread for you when you tell me to. Well I'm not, and not only do I not care of I get suspended or banned, but I'm not going to participate in the permies discussion forums if you don't do what I'm asking which is to clean up your mess and.move it. I've already helped people in this forum by sharing information, up til now I haven't learned anuthing so I don't feel like I would be suffering any loss.
If I posted a several off topic posts in someone else's threads as you moderators have in mine, then I'm sure I would have been asked to stop, just as I have asked you.
I would appreciate that you do as I am asking, and stop what you are doing in this thread. You have my permission to transfer the discission from this into another thread that you start, but I myself have no desire to start a thread like you are asking me to.
Its irritatating because I've already spent lots of time sharing what IS valuable information and had it withHeld from the thread I posted it in. Not because it was off topic, but because I suggested that tilling the earth even once is not good for the earth.
The statement implied that there are wrong ways of doing things such as tilling up ancient mycellial networks for the purpose of enhancing soil fertility. Apparently that means I was saying "my" way is the onlyway.
I feel that you are doing the same but worse because what you are posting is off+topic, and you're also telling me I must be doing something wrong which is against the posting etiquette.
Being a volonteer isnt an answer to the question I asked about posting in here, niether is that I should start another topic.
When I try to send a pm by clicking on a user name then clicking "send pm", then typing a message in the box, them press the submit button and it won't send, says something like there's no user specified, but it also won't let me specify one.
Ive figured it out though, I just can't directly respond and of I try to pm someone by clicking their name I can't. If I don't click the send pm button ony profile or someone else's, then and only then it provides a space to type a user name.
If you'd like to take all these posts out of this topic and start your own thread about pming, I would appreciate it if you would remove the off topic derailment thanks
I still think it would beore appropriate for mods to contact people by pm instead of by posting off topic comments, whether you are payed for your services, or volunteering.
My experience growing melons on both the wet and dry tropical conditions (Hawaii) was the vines grew well but every fruit was killed by a fly. You could see right where they'd leave a puncture wound and the fruit would fail to form.
I felt like adding to what I mentioned earlier/above that when you follow the example seen everywhere in nature such as Master Fukuoka you Are not starving anything of nutrients, in fact you allow the ground to develop into what the earth is; a massive and sprawling neurological network with a vorascious appetite for Ca, CaP,P,K, and of course N.
A fertile soil is not one that has been jam packed With nutrients that are then just waiting for a hungry plant to devour. A fertile soil is not one where fertilizers, organic or not, have been force fed into the mouth of mother nature with tractors, or shovels.
Forced araration does not promote fertility. The direct result of forced aeration is several hundred pounds of cell death per acre of soil tilled, that is rapidly decomposed in the sudden presence of oxygen shortly before the soil becomes compact and only hospitable to thorns, thistles, and invasive species.
During this cause effect continuum, there is a window of time where in with enough fertilizers and double the water needed you can grow big showy plants that are prone to mold, pests and disease that require more force and inputs to combat.
Big showy plants are not eaqual to a fertile soil in all cases.
Natural soil is basicly nutrientless, and what nutrients are there are mostly in the top 3-4 inches and in the decomposing organic matter on the surface.
What we think of as plant nutrients are in a fertile soil but either as the cellular mass (the bio community of micro organisms and bugs), and locked up in rocks or old organic matter.
It is in A soil like this that a pathogen free environment develops and is maintained.
1% of microorganisms are pathogens. These pathogens are not secondary decomposers like the benificials that thrive in a nutrientless medium. Pathogens are generally primary decomposers that decompose green and nitrogen Rich materiels such as the ones you might be tilling and burrying in your soil. Buried N is unnatural and fosters the development of parasites in the root zone. When the N in the soil is depleted the parasites naturally go up and attack the crops.
In a nutrientless soil benofical organisms produce compounds that facilitate the growth of other benificials, and produce antibiotics that make it impossible for parasites to take hold.
When a beneficial community has formed there will always be enough nutrients to grow your crops. In this type of soil mycorizal associations can form large mycelial matt's of a variety of benificials can form, and all these mycelial networks for communication lines , and information networks by way of an electro-chemical language.
None of this can happen if you till the earth or bury fertilizers. None of it.
Plants have different nutrient needs at different stages of there growth. When they are placed in a setting such as a soil "rich" in nutes they quickly become chemically dependent.
In a natural nutrientless medium they will secrete enzymes from their growing roots. What enzymes they secrete are dependent on what nutrients they need and are trying to breakdown in the soil. Its by way of these enzymes that the fungi is able to understand the needs of the plants and able to deligate the soil nutrients with precision.
Human beings, like fungi are also intelligent and able to join the natural info loop by checking signs on the plant that indicate the stage of growth and the required nutrients for that stage.
So when you read the signs on your crops you apply the appropriate nutrient at that time by either using a liquid fertilizer, topdressing organic nutrients such as bloodmeal during the vegitative stage, or bone, and ash during flowering, calcium during the earliest and late stages.
This way there is no surplus build up, the plant and soil use it all up and the soil remains in a healthy state.
By remaining in a healthy state this means to get better and better and better over time.
Kyrt Ryder wrote:Do you have any particular preference regarding climate or region?
I would give equal consideration to any climate or region. The philosophy I follow, and techniques I use have been used succesfully all over the world.
In any region and climate there are the wild plants in the natural landscape that thrive in those conditions. These plants have genetic characteristics that give them the edge in their environment, but besides the physical characteristics they produce hormones, regulators and other biosynthesized compounds that Help them thrive in that specific environment. Much of the natural farming g method relies on that fact, and it is with those plants that many of the inputs are made, and it is for that reason that they are applied.
The other main condition of wild plants thriving in any given region is the microorganisms that associate directly with the roots, or live in the root zone of those plants. It is those microorganisms that are collected, cultured in bulk and applied to the crops and soil on the farm.
All soil needs to become richer is growing roots, carbon and water
Photosynthesis obviously originates the carbon, regardless of where you sourced it so the naturalness of this process requires humans as an agent of conditioning in the garden plot.
Carbon is food for microirganisms. Carbon is converted into biomass and antibiotics, growth regulators and compounds that aerate the soil. The microbiological activity attracts larger soil organisms like worms, nematodes, arthropods, all kinds of soil bugs that eat the micro organisms, or thrive off their waisted, and in turn things like digested bacteria, and mycelium are left throughout the soil as excrement that is rich in nutrients.
When roots are active the whole process is kicked into high gear because soil microorganisms that thrive in aerobic conditions with lots of carbon live for roots. The natural synergy seems to improve plant growth and health probably because the health of the plant results in more and more carbon.
When things like worms come in, and if you use leaves from large trees and in particular carbon from natural settings then other micro organisms are brought in from the intestines of the soil organisms.
There are bacteria present in any healthy forest that fix airborne N, but not as nodules in legumous plants. They fix N but use it to boost their colony population meaning they use it to make more if themselves. When they die by whatever course they add N to the soil which is how a forest never needs fertilizing.
I have been working with plants and in agriculture for about 15 years.
I've worked on a few organic farms, pruned small orchard s and backyard fruit trees, cultivated mushrooms, grown cannabis and done lots of basic landscaping and landcare stuff. I've grown sustenance gardens in the high desert, coastal forest, dry tropics and in the jungle.
For the last 5 years I have studied and practiced Natural farming which is a methodology that I have been able to focus all my skills, experience and research into.
This last year I considered to be my thesis project for agriculture. I was hired to grow a cash crop in exchange for rent and given full creative liscence so I grew the crop with a no-till planting method that I had innovated to use and compliment Cho Han-kyu's Natural farming method. Following that method I made all of the FETs and inputs and cultured all of soil microorganisms used on the crop.
The results were excellent, better than I'd envisioned. For any serious inquiries I can give access to pics with a brief abstract of the philosophy and process used on the crop.
I am eager to start a natural farm. I have the skills, and make my own inputs, but need a piece of land.
If you have some land that is humble, modest, thought to be unfarmable, perfect for farming, or whatever, and you would like to see it become productive in the hands of a responsible and ethical caretaker and his 8 year old son then please respond so we can open a diologue
I'm 41 years old, devoted to meditation and consider natural farming a part of that practice.
My son is homeschooled, very social, has never had a meltdown and always ready to help.