Yes, I hear ya. So many of these pop up and it seems that most of them are not realized.
Most of the time a thread is posted to never hear from the OP again...dreams dissipated I suppose.
I think the hardest part is finding like minded people that one would want to be with half of the day, or at least be able to bear them for any extended period of time.
Narrow mindedness and extremists seem to populate the IC dreamer movement, imo.
The land issue is an interesting complexity to me.
You mentioned the two "models", where is one shared among all, and the other is the real estate model.
In the latter, are you insinuating that this one doesn't work because the buyer of the lot doesn't actually own the land, i.e. their own tax lot such as Paul's?
OR they do own their own land outright, and it's a large piece of land divided, but ultimately the buyer can do what they want, which may not match the goals of the original intent of the
I wonder about this, because in these years reading through these IC ideas, I have always thought the better way, perhaps, was to find a large parcel of land that consisted of many tax lots, and then sell those off, all the while keeping a community together or having like minded people around, such as the idea of another person a couple years ago in CO.
This discussion went on in Paul's program, and basically the same issues were brought up, as far as I can remember.
I'm not sure, but this seems that it might work better than a "land share", because it seems to me it would be really hard to get people thinking the same in order to have a good land share, if you get my thoughts here.
I've seen others market to restaurants, particular veggies or something, generally high end, that want organic and particular sizes and quality and such.
Make good money from what they say.
The message below is from a friend in the province just south of me.
A small group of people have recently started this project just outside the city of Kunming, Yunnan Province China.
It's a beautiful region, tropical, mountains, lakes and all that. Been there a few times.
If you have any questions on China and this region regarding the project, you can ask here or you can send a message to David directly.
Dear friends of sustainable agriculture,,
I write from yunnan, China. We have recently launched a project and we want to maintain and maintain sustainable agriculture here. Yunnan has one of the highest bio-diversification in the world and in the country there is still old Chinese traditional At the moment this is threatening to disappear and we are pioneers here in this area. The interest is still very large we have 2 villages that want to cooperate with us and the help of a university We have 2 Farms and some cooperative farms at the moment.
What we don't have is expertise. Austria is, I can say from here, a decade ahead. This is also my concern: we need help to establish permaculture here. I'm looking for people willing to come here and help us design, implement and teach. In any case we can provide accommodation and food if necessary I will also try to find a sponsor for travel expenses. We are open to any impulses and ideas. Please write me on email@example.com look forward to a lot of ideas and feedback. Thank you
I think this is the average person's issue with this idea.
But, after listening to the podcasts on these issues and regarding those that had those issues, assuming Paul was being forthright, that he is incredibly patient and that those that had issues were not your average thinking individual.
Meaning, after listening to the podcasts that brought up these disagreements, I felt Paul was very reasonable in his actions.
Therefore, the way Paul explains it and his "ways", it would appear that the "concern" for his system would not necessarily be a big concern.
I must agree with the others critiquing your remarks David.
Did you listen to podcasts?
Cultic tendencies would never allow this issue(s) to see the light of day.
And I am familiar with the Fouches and their videos and critique of Paul.
I have no horse in this race except to get to the facts, nor am I a champion of Paul ( just don't know much about him and wheaton labs), although I must admit
that my fondness of the man continues to grow, especially after hearing these podcasts and airing the grievances, good and bad, true and false.
I respect the hell out of this, and enjoy the hell out of these podcasts . I love it when someone speaks as a philosopher/lawyer, i.e. logical and reasonable.
Most people, let alone any "cult" would never allow such discussions.
Just look at Trump and Co!!! hahaha, (give me some damn apples so I can get on the cider press and get political/religionish please! I have lots of annoying opinions)
I am still up in the air regarding this "system" of ant village and what have you, along the lines of LINA, who I think makes a very good analysis of this situation, which Paul has
mentioned a million times that he is trying to "work" it out, and I for one applaud him, I think this is about the hardest thing to accomplish.
I will still perhaps, try to work him on rethinking/reorganizing the "family" unit and the 420, hehehaha, I'm sure to no avail.
Bless your heart Kathy, and good for you starting to get it going.
If you are interested in more self sufficiency or learning about it and/or taking on people to help, start another thread in the "homestead" or "volunteer" category.
Perhaps the moderators here can guide you if necessary.
I think there are quite a few out there that would like an opportunity to do something of this nature, and/or help build up your "homestead".
Great discussion, as I have had the "sludge" in the gallbladder.
I too, have never been to the hospital before this happened some months ago, and I was a regular drinker and ate mostly what I wanted.
Unfortunately I do not know my blood type. I need to look into this connection with the diet.
I did not have the acute pain, but the constant dull pain with extreme fatigue in the beginning.
I did have a couple days of sharp pain in the lower abdomen, perhaps I was passing a stone, and still have occasional pains throughout the abdomen area, especially when I go off my "healthy" diet.
I have researched this quite a bit since I had the pain issues, and a lot of helpful advice and information from a Gallbladder flush group on Facebook.
Since then I have focused on getting the Gut right, and doing parasite and kidney/liver/colon cleansing, since supposedly all of this is connected, and recommended by many that are suffering from these issues.
I think the biggest change was incorporating the Apple Cider Vinegar often with lemon juice and honey first thing in the morning.
I'm not sure what exactly has helped me, but I'm able to function without the lethargy, and most of the daily nagging pain is gone, unless I go off of my "diet".
I'm still trying to figure out which foods affect me and which do not as well.
ON a positive note, I've lost weight, feel better, and haven't been sick, which was a regular occurrence with me.
I think your assessment is right on.
I have a buddy who has a 1/4 acre and farms, but is also a teacher, and he has no interest going off into the country or homesteading.
I had not really entertained this thought before I saw curtis stone, the farmer up in canada, speaks all over, and others like him, making decent money just farming.
Now I think it's a great way, mainly because my wife would want to be in some type of community for herself and the kids, which makes a lot of sense.
I just don't like having neighbors withing shouting distance, unless I knew them well, or were good friends with them.
I'm a so cal boy so I love cali, the deserts and mountains, love the tahoe area and the sierra's, did a lot of backpacking back in the day.
Some of my family are in Oregon, and I lived there for a time. So I love the NW in general. But also, prices seem to be within reach the farther out or farther north one goes.
An RV park would seem to be a good idea, everything already there. Soil, regenerating it, always think about that, and the other issues as I have searched out land.
That is what got me interested in permies, the idea of regenerating everything and all that good stuff.
I think the one main obstacle is always the zoning. Over the last year or so I occasionally read about counties and cities blocking Tiny Homes, as well as other things similar to what happened in NV with regards to the solar. Govt and Big Biz seem to fighting back in some places.
So I have looked mostly in the NW, and across the states as well, although my roots are in Cali and the NW.