Dylan Kirsch wrote:... I was very flexible with them and also very generous. At one point I let them use one of my trucks for transportation. I did make it clear that I had certain rules to abide by, and was shown time and time again how ungrateful, dishonest, and untrustworthy these people were.
Not sure how I overlooked this before.
We had a fella here that wanted to borrow my truck. I said "sure, just bring it back with a full tank." He brought it back with a quarter tank. I asked him about it and he said "I calculated the amount of gas i would use, and put that much in. And then i ended up using it some more than I originally expected." I told him that none of that added up to full tank. He responded that at the gas station, he felt a full tank was an unfair amount.
My thinking was that I didn't know how much gas was in it. So it was a roll of the dice whether it would be 15 gallons or 2. But whichever way, it would be a helluva lot cheaper than renting a truck from something like "hertz". And I was thinking that the extra gas would chip in for all that I pay into the rig: repairs, maintenance, insurance, taxes, etc.
If I receive cash, I am okay with that. I know that jack takes silver for stuff. That could be cool too I suppose. But the thing is that cash or silver could be sent and not make it to me. That's probably a small risk, but .... I also don't want to get people demanding i send them stuff and they never actually sent anything - and that seems ten times more likely than cash not getting here. So I just wanna make it clear that if you send cash or silver, I am cool with doing that, but you have to take all the risk of it never arriving.
I definitely don't want to set up this stuff as a regular thing - only as an alternative for folks that really don't want to deal with paypal. So maybe each thing where we sell stuff, we can say have a teeny tiny asterisk next to it that links to this thread.
I know of people that are unhappy with paypal - but paypal has been very, very good to me. About twice a year, somebody tries to do some wicked shit unto me through paypal, and paypal has sided with me 100% of the time.
I’d like to purchase your BWH+WBS2 combo set, but I don’t have a paypal account and they have been hacked a couple of times now.
Is there any way I could make a straight up visa payment to you or would you entertain some other form of payment.
I've been getting enough of these over the last few months, that I figure I should start a thread.
First, no, I have no way to accept credit cards if paypal is not involved. I did that for a while about 20 years ago and what a damn sick, twisted mess. I am glad to let paypal have all the hassles with credit cards and make my life easier.
Next up, some folks here on permies convinced me to try bitcoin a few years ago. Somebody gave me ten bucks in bitcoin and I left it there. And then it seems like a few times a year, somebody wants to pay for stuff with bitcoin. And then a lot of folks had some bitcoin last year and it grew a lot bigger - so now those folks are pleased as punch to buy stuff with bitcoin. But it does seem like the price of transactions for bitcoin is a tiny sliver of bitcoin which, now that a single bitcoin is worth $10,000, transactions are something like $10. So if you wanna buy something for $1, it will actually cost $11. As long as you include the stuff for the transaction fee, I am cool receiving bitcoin. More about my bitcoin magic number and other bitcoin bits and bobs here.
A long time ago, I set up with dwolla. That seems to still work. But I think that is on the outs these days.
I recently completed a single transaction with zelle. I could do that.
I have had two people send me funds via amazon. I don't know the details, but that seemed to work.
I have had people want to send checks or money orders. That is a doable thing, but that is some old school stuff that I am weary of dealing with. We do deal with it, but that is the slow train. And then we have to sit on those funds for three weeks to make sure the system doesn't barf it back. I would rather not deal with that anymore, but once in a while, we still do. I will just make whiney noises the whole way.
I am set up at coinbase, which also has wallets for "bitcoin cash", "ethereum" and "litecoin". I don't know what those are, but I am open to getting some and figuring it out.
One time a guy came to a workshop we had here and he paid with two cords of wood and stacked it. That was cool.
Hmmmm .... at one point I started to set the dvds up at gumroad. They take credit cards without using paypal. I suppose I could go back and attempt to complete that process. But that would be at least several weeks away.
I do recall that somebody once asked me to sign up for some sort of paypal alternative, but the information they wanted from me was information i was not willing to part with. So we ended up using paypal.
Anybody else have thoughts on this? How does everybody else send or receive money-like stuff these days?
What I am looking for and I think everyone else is looking for also, is written step by step instructions, with well illustrated pictures of every step of construction of what I will call the "burn module" which I would characterize as feedtube, burn chamber, riser, barrel and manifold.
Mud told me he is thinking about doing this. Along those lines, I put him touch with Davin Hoyt who made the plans for the solar food dehydrators:
Davin is the one that made the early drawings above.
At this point I have to make it really, really clear: don't count your chickens before they have hatched. I think it is good and healthy to express that it would be lovely if a certain thing existed, but embrace that it might never come out. And if it does come out, it might not be exactly what you wished for. These gentlemen have rich lives full of awesome stuff, and what you ask for might take 400 hours, but they can only spare six hours. And yet, what they product in six hours might fall into the space of "good enough for now, maybe it will be optimized as the years pass."
Fallon Wilson wrote:Are they able to ship to Canada? And how do I go about ordering one without going to the ATC?
Canada: no clue. 40 years ago I am sure there would be no problem. But today ...
At this time there is no way to order one without attending the ATC. In past shippable core designs, the designer has elected to NOT start a shippable core business. Take a look at DVD3 to hear some bits and bobs about that. But I do think that Mud might sell a few before the year is out.
Maybe this is a good time to offer Mud monies for a core - let a bidding war begin!
In the meantime, each person at the ATC that throws in an extra $200 for materials will end up with their own shippable core. Keep in mind that for the ceramic fiber risers we have been using in the dvds and youtube videos - we pay $300 for each of those.
Tim Skufca wrote: I'm not sure what part the "manifold" is
The most difficult part of every rocket mass heater build for first time rocket mass heater builders.
Starting at about 3:40 there is some info on manifolds:
This video is a "smash" of the full build. About an hour of details are skipped to make this quickie video for youtube. But there is a brick manifold build in DVD 4. And DVD 3 is dedicated to shippable cores.
The manifold is the part that collects the exhaust gasses at the bottom of the barrel and directs them into the exhaust duct.
I'd also appreciate a list of items not included in order to construct a rocket-mass heater (aside from all the ducting and the mass, the roof/wall flashing, and the finish material).
Will you be building a shop heater? A tiny house heater? A rocket mass heater? How big? Pebble style or cob style? Stratification chamber? Just watching the DVDs will, at the very least, give you answers to these questions.
Here is a picture of an early prototype of Mud's design. He says he will send some more pictures later today of prettier examples.
This shippable core is being used in a greenhouse. In this case, they are starting seeds on top of the mass. I like how they put the core into the ground a little bit - I think that is mighty smart. As the air in the greenhouse stratifies, the rocket mass heater will be drawing in the coldest air in the room - from the floor.
Mud has now built several of these and they are working great. They have a ceramic fiber riser and firebrick wood feed. Most importantly, the whole core can be shipped. UPS will ship it for $30 to $90 depending on how far you are sending it.
At the appropriate technology course this year, this will be one of the things built. And anybody throwing $200 into the ring for materials can take it home - or ship it home.
This morning, Jocelyn told me about something she saw on facebook. It said something like "Why don't we have better permaculture leaders?" It devolved into a lot of speculation and, Jocelyn said, there were people that were trying to shame others into what they thought would be needed for good permaculture leadership. Eventually, the OP presented the three leaders he had in mind when he proposed that we need better leader. I am glad to say that I made that top three list. And, at the same time, I also wish we had some magnificent person that was 30 times better than the likes of me leading the way. Maybe if Willie Smits had a team that was teaching several PDCs a year and was labeling his stuff a bit more openly as "permaculture" and had another team handling Q&A all over the internet, we might have the leader we wish for. Of course, it would probably be less than a month until he was openly targeted by corporate trolls and our own trolls-from-within.
The OP also said something about looking for great permaculture examples in the US. I suspect that there are a hundred great examples in the US. And at some point, early on, they started to share their stories, only to get shouted down by permaculture people. In time, they decided to just run silent.
But I think a much bigger point to be made that has not been made is ....
Notice how that is brought up on facebook? What a great place for corporate trolls and permaculture trolls to thrive. The problem is that the lovely people that are doing great things get crushed. So we are trying to create a community here at permies.com so that the lovely people don't get crushed. And they can grow into the magnificent leaders that we are looking for.
If you have a great conversation on facebook, it is typically gone in a week. Permies.com is designed to have perennial discussion on the perennial topics of permaculture. A conversation from a year ago will be brought back up and continue with even more details.
Good permaculture discussion on facebook might get viewed by hundreds of people. Maybe even a couple thousand people. That same discussion on permies will get viewed by tens of thousands of people, maybe even hundreds of thousands of people.
If you poison your garden every week, very few plants will be able to tolerate that. But if you have a poison free garden and hand weed out the plants that try to kill the other plants, then, in time, you will grow some amazing ... new permaculture leaders.
I moved your query to a whole new thread, cuz the other thread was for a totally different product and that might confuse people looking there for support of that product.
I found out that you supported the kickstarter for the download version of the single DVD "Building a Cob Style Rocket Mass Heater."
First, we sent you about a dozen emails - did you not get those emails?
Next, we paid a service to distribute the download version and they went out of business about a year ago. So we tried to work the parts of that business that we used into our forum software. I am attempting to give you access to the download on our system. Please let me know if you got it okay.
I have a bunch of things I have written that need a bit more polish before I put them up. But I did have something I wrote, threw away, wrote, threw away, then came up with an excellent way to present it, and added to it between meetings and other work in about 17 different attempts spread out over three or four days ...
Thanks to all of your feedback, josiah called me and .... we visited .... and brainstormed and ...
Josiah is modifying the kickstarter. He is going to list the 12 courses and supply a description of what the courses will be like and supply a list of the courses that will be built from the other 45 states.
Because a key ingredient of all this is that this is just the beginning. But if this one doesn't get funded, then the rest are definitely not happening.
Another angle on all this is that Justin's stuff was 50 states in a year. There would be youtube videos and dvds. THIS project is 48 states in 48 months. With one DVD and a set of classes for each state.
I have tried to write this a dozen times. And then this popped into my head.
This is the default state of people attempting to build community. Suppose there are six people attempting to build community.
Six people put in one pound of goodness: each person receives three pounds of goodness.
Five put in one pound of goodness and one puts in one pound of ick: each person receives three pounds of ick.
This is the default. The challenge is to come up with a collection of recipes to build community rather than destroy community. But all of the squishy math starts with this foundation. Further: with enough goodness, community thrives. And with enough ick, community dissolves.
When I tried to write about this in the past, I always started with "it is easy to destroy community; it is almost as easy to build community." And there is the core: I think a default human being has learned that hostility is often rewarded and then that human being can walk away with damage caused to the other human beings. But if a person wishes to build community, then they would simply elect to get the things they wish without causing such damage.
The brute force solution is to insist that the person bringing ick to not bring ick. And if they continue to bring ick, then they are expelled from the community so the community can thrive. The person bringing the ick is probably certain that they are adding push behind their words for the benefit of the community and if the other five would simply obey these words, then peace can be restored.
Most people NEED to hear their own opinion from all other people and are frustrated that they don't have the might to make it "right."
And it can further be summarized into three words "obey or else".
The excellent point about this statement is that it's validity has been verified by psychologists.
I think there will be no perfect solution - as is the case for nearly everything in permaculture. Instead, it will be a collection of small things that will all add up to enough of an improvement that it will be a solution of the time:
recipe #1: everybody must recognize that all human beings are hard wired with "obey or else" and that this frame of mind is poison to community.
So the only way to have community is every member recognizes this and chooses to build community, every day, despite this.
In Diana Leafe Christian's works, 90% of communties fail. And of those that succeed, my analysis says that 90% of those are struggling and people rarely stay longer than 2 years. It might be fair to say that the reason for the failure and struggle is entirely the "obey or else" thing running wild.
Just being aware that this is THE poison on community could go a long ways to mitigating the problem.
recipe #2: present your position rather than expressing "obey" or "the truth."
The one rule on this web site is "be nice." And from that we have developed our "publishing standards". It all boils down to: if you post "obey or else" stuff, in the many flavors it can pop up, your stuff is not published here. So the people that do well in these forums would probably do well living in community.
Along the way comes stories like "I once heard of a guy that ..." or "didn't I read somewhere that you could ...." and this sort of attempt to figure things out is not helped by comments like "Citation needed." or "that's bullshit." or "prove it."
Another thing is that some folks are certain that their path is the only path and that other paths are unacceptable. That sort of thing is unacceptable to me.
I tend to delete anything that suggests that anybody on permies.com is less than perfect. I'll even delete stuff that suggests that somebody that might come to permies.com is less than perfect. Or if a group of people is less than perfect and somebody on permies.com might be part of that group.
I prefer to see posts that offer "my position" rather than "the truth". I've deleted a lot of stuff with "the truth". The reason is that if somebody posts "the truth" and a second somebody has an alternative position, then posting the alternative feels a lot like entering into conflict - so it is less likely to get posted. And it is that alternative that I want to see shared on this site.
recipe #3: be a healer
The problem is presented above as:
Five put in one pound of goodness and one puts in one pound of ick: each person receives three pounds of ick.
That's a total of 18 pounds of ick going around. I think that even the most feeble attempt at being a healer will probably take five pounds of ick off of that load. And an expert healer might be able to get it to zero. Or maybe even get it back to a positive.
I think it is fair that the best of us will stumble once in a while and bring the ick to the table. And it is good if the others will help to heal the situation.
Of course, there is also the case of somebody who jumps on the ick to "respond in kind" and they make an bad situation into a worse situation.
And this is further compounded by people who bring ick to the table over and over, which leads to:
recipe #4: ick-ectomy
Sometimes people realize that they are not a fit for this particular community, or for community living in general. They move along.
And sometimes they need to be shown the door.
It is rare that we ban people from permies.com. But some people are just too hostile for community. Each story is different, but it is usually something about how on their first post they will violate all of the publishing standards and insist that this "hate speech" be published.
Sometimes there is something similar in the world of intentional community. One person firmly believes that the rest of the community must obey their will. And their presentation style is hostile. If the one person is removed, it might remove 80% or more of the ick and drama from a community.
recipe #5: distance
Do you share a roof with your community members AND share three meals a day every day? That is a lot more opportunity for drama. For some people, spending all day, every day, for many years with a community is a dream come true. And for others, it cannot last more than a few days - it is just too overwhelming. Some people prefer to be alone than get married (or something similar).
And there could be an ecovillage of small homes that are hundreds of yards apart. You get just the right amount of community you are looking for. Some will live 500 yards from the community house, some will live 100 feet from the community house and some will live in the community house.
recipe #6: central leader instead of consensus
Several people think the community house should be painted purple. Several others think brown. Several more think light green and several more dark green. And two people think it should not be painted at all. Communities have been destroyed by debates like this. And there can be a new decision every week. Having a central leader can eliminate most of these kinds of debates. But the usual attempt at central leader is that you get somewhere and it is not until you have settled in that you learn that you do not like the general direction that the central leader is taking. I think there are two important ingredients needed for central leader to work:
A: the central leader must provide a large body of work for people to see before the choose to come. This way, people can choose if they would be comfortable with future decisions the central leader would make.
B: the central leader must hear out everything that everybody wishes to express. This does not mean the central leader must obey - just listen.
I think the root of all conflict is the difference of knowledge set. If two relatively decent people have the same knowledge set, I think they travel in identical direction and even get identical ideas. So rather than telling people to obey, share hundreds or thousands of bits of knowledge with as many people as you can. And listen to their bits. In time, they are doing and saying what you would like them to be doing and saying, and you are doing and saying what they would like you to be doing and saying. Conflict is eliminated.
And now the math is always:
Six people put in one pound of goodness: each person receives three pounds of goodness.
There is so much about crowdfunding that is a mystery to me.
I thought that our live pdc, which asked for $6800, had a 50/50 chance of getting funded. But it got 1400% funded.
I thought this kickstarter would be close also, because they were asking for $43,000. But I threw in a bunch of my own stuff to help them get funded. And we worked a deal so that their stuff would end up in the permies.com digital market. It felt like good business. I was even grooving on the idea that there would eventually be 48 DVDs, one for each state. Each with three to four homestead businesses. This seemed rock solid to me, but it looks like it won't happen.
Please, please, please give me feedback. Lots of details. Josiah and Cliff followed all of my advice to the letter. I have two projects in the works right now that would be kickstarter projects and I am now thinking that maybe I should scrap them before even getting to kickstarter.
I felt like the initial kickstarter was rock solid. After it did poorly, I met with josiah and cliff and we brainstormed to make the changes you see now. I thought "there's only a few days left, but I admit, what we have created now is three times better than what we first offered." And it is still doing poorly.
There are hundreds of farms doing amazing stuff and we don't know about them because they are not "youtube people" or "teach classes people". So this project would roll up, harvest a lot of knowledge, set that knowledge up as a class and we can tap the knowledge of those people directly.
Ok, ok, ok, sorry ... i'm a bit enthusiastic about the project. The focus of this post is: what went wrong? Why do folks support my previous kickstarters, but they are less keen to support this one?
Richard, for you I would like to make it free for all you have done for the empire over the years. At the same time, I'm not sure how much expense or work this will end up being. So I will make you the same offer as natasha: $100 off on either offer.
When I first set these forums up, i had no name requirement. At some point it became a requirement. We gray out the names that don't meet our naming requirements. Some of the accounts are abandoned and they have a message waiting for them if they log in again. Other accounts are more like "if you don't like my creative name, you can close my account."
As with many things, the grayed out name feature came about because of reasons. We were getting a lot of people looking at old accounts or locked accounts and saying "if they get to have a creative name, why can't i have a creative name?" It turns out that the grayed out name thing seriously helps make less work for us.
Peter VanDerWal wrote:Both of these provide far more heat per watt of electricity than a lightbulb does.
If you choose to heat your home with light bulbs in a completely different room than you are in, then you are correct.
If, on the other hand, you choose to to place light bulbs strategically where there are people, and the lights are close to people, then people will begin to feel too warm and they will turn the thermostat down.
If you add in collections of micro-heaters in strategic locations, then people can feel very comfortable and the thermostat might be set to 60, or maybe lower. This is dramatic savings in energy.