my wife and i have been planning out guilds for our fruit trees - fall sheet muching, cover cropping and spring planting. we are also very interested in good annual cover crops for over winter in zone 5b. any suggestions welcome!
You mention wanting to take a PDC here in Indiana. If you've never taken one I recommend Geoff Lawton's online course. I took it last summer and it was great! If you have and are looking for something close to home, me too! Even a workshop. I know that Darby Simpson has some workshops. I think he is down in Martinsville. http://www.simpsonfamilyfarm.com/
Matt Faulkner wrote:Hello from Westfield! I was very happy to see a forum here for those of us that live in Indiana. We have a small suburban property (roughly .20 acres), but I have been informally studying Permaculture Design and Edible Food Forests and I've caught the bug. I've been gardening for several years now and love it. We have about 250 square feet of vegetable garden space, but this year we planted blueberries, raspberries, strawberries and three fruit trees (Stella Cherry; 4n1 Apple and a Peach). This fall we will be tilling up one whole side of our backyard so that I can plant an Almond tree, Plum Tree, Nectarine tree, two Pear trees (Bartlett and Asian) and two grapes around an arbor. I'm contemplating planting a mulberry tree and two sour cherry trees behind our fence as well. Next Spring, I will be planting some perennial vegetables (rhubarb, horseradish and asparagus) as well as all of the other shrubs (Nanking Cherry, Goumi and Currants) to go along with the Comfrey, herbs and wildflowers. I'll probably plant a few more blueberry bushes as well since my two girls love them! I built an herb spiral for my wife this summer and she is really looking forward to using it next spring. I'm very interested in learning more about any PDC courses here in Central Indiana as well as learning from all of you. While I will never give up my vegetable garden, I will be converting it to raised beds this fall and next spring as well as utilizing polyculture/companion planting techniques to hopefully create less work and more enjoyment for my family each year. I'm looking forward to attracting wildlife as well as beneficial insects to keep everything in balance. Please offer up any advice you have as I'm still new to this and I'll try to keep everyone updated on our progress while also uploading pictures as time allows.
I have read where people say not to use DE around beneficials such as praying mantis' but then again I have seen people say that they have observed them being fine around DE.
We have and use DE but are selective with its use in regard to insect control. To us it is a lot like insecticide in that it kills the insect, not that it is a chemical of course. (When I say 'we' I mean me and my wife) We try to have plants and beneficials to control the unwanted insects.
Again, there appears to be a lot of confusion on this subject. I think there are benefits to using DE, not just for insect control though. I hope to see more responses here.
I agree with some comments above about taking it slow and observing. We've been on our acre for four years. The first year we did do a little planting but I really tried to observe. We now have planted about 41 trees and have four hugel beds on contour a la Jack Spirko style swales.
Something you can do along with listening to big Paul's podcast and being one of his pod-people is to take Geoff Lawton's online PDC. I took it last year (2013) and it was a great experience. I think this years has already started but there is a wealth of information on his site in regards to videos if you haven't taken his PDC. I think it was like under $2000 and we got a library of his DVDs after the course was done.
I should always get notifications of replies to this post now & I hope to keep it active. Hope more Hoosiers join it and we can do a meet up.
I agree too that Indiana, IMHO is a perfect place for permaculture. The land and climate are already good for agriculture - so it MUST be GREAT for permaculture!
I forgot to mention that I just subscribed to your YouTube channel Loren Hunt! I look forward to keeping up with you. We head that way in late April every year to Morgan Monroe forest where we (my dad and son) roam around the woods hunting the tasty turkey! Beautiful country down there for sure.
Cool! Sorry it's been a while since I checked this thread. I am going to be sure I am watching it.
This is all good stuff. C Quint, These trees are really young yet. Should I wait till they are bigger to begin planting under them? They are at best 1.5" diameter trunk trees at about 7' tall. Or can we go ahead and start with garlic, onions and daffodils?
I will start putting my egg shells out with my trees instead of my compost now.
C Quint wrote:Is it cedar-apple rust fungus (orange spots on the leaves)? Mine have that and the organic advice I read was to chop down all of the Eastern Redcedars within 2 miles of my trees, which is not possible. Two of my trees, which are heirloom apples local to our area and planted in guilds with comfrey, bee balm, dandelions, false indigo, New Jersey Tea, gooseberries, and mountain mints did not succumb to the fungus, but the columnar apple trees from a local chain nursery, planted near only comfrey, have the orange-spotted leaves now. I'm hoping to minimize the damage for next year by removing cedar-apple rust galls from all of the Eastern Redcedars in our yard (we only have 1 acre) next winter, but we'll see. In the future, I plan to plant only disease-resistant varieties.
I have a few apple trees that have fungus issues. the folks at the garden center said to spray fungucide on them but I would rather not. There has to be a better solution through a combination of plants in a guild around the trees. What would be a good start or combo to combat the fungus?
so what is the best way to get rid of the unwanted fungus on apple trees? I don't want to use fungicide but is that really my only choice?
I would guess that perhaps the first season I need to use fungicide, but there has to be a good guild of plants that will be beneficial to the apple tree and either eat or get rid of the fungus some way as well as be beneficial to each other. What that combination of plants is, I don't know but I hope some of you awesome folks here may be able to steer me in the right direction.
I am searching all through here. I welcome your help and wisdom.
It would seem as though there are still benefits to growing Russian Comfrey if only for its benefits to other plants. It won't spread and overtake your garden unless you till it (which if you're a permie a tiller would be considered a WMD!). Downside of Russian is it should not be used for tea or medicinal purposes - this from all I've read. Downside of "True Comfrey" is it can spread quickly and overtake your garden just by it's seed disbursement.
I have six Russian plants that are in their second season in my yard under fruit trees. I have a packet of what is probably the true variety I got from nutsncones.com on eBay. They specifically called it Symphytum officinale L. Planting it today.
I have an acre lot with some nice slope. Without taking a PDC or having full understanding of permaculture design principles we started planting stuff in 2010. We now have two hugelkulture swales on contour, six 4'x4' raised beds, three apple trees, a pair, three cherry trees, two peach trees, four blueberry bushes, a few raspberry bushes, a lot of our landscape around the house has strawberry ground cover. We have a lot more to plant, dig and so on plus years to watch it grow and develop.
I'd love to see and hear from other folks here in Indiana on what you all are doing.
I live on the west side of Indy near Brownsburg. I would love to hear from more folks in central Indiana. What are you doing? Here's my youtube channel that shows a bunch of the stuff I've been doing. http://www.youtube.com/user/renh99
Jey Leorion wrote:Hi folks.
I'm glad I stumbled on to this forum after stumbling first upon Paul's Hugelkulture page. I have been transitioning from conventional mowing/landscaping and consumerism over the last 3-4 years. I started gardening and planting to eliminate the yard three years ago and found out about "permaculture" proper in 2011. I previously had a keen interest in off grid living, super insulated structures, earth homes, sustainability, and frugal living, but didn't realize there was a movement such as permaculture until last summer. So glad to have found about it and amazed I had never encountered the subject prior.
I look forward to interacting with you and learning from you. I wanted to provide a link to my craigslist posting as I am looking for a couple of permie roommates. Details are in the posting.
I live near Brownsburg, IN on the west side of Indianapolis. I'm looking to meet up with more folks in Indiana who are into permaculture. I am going to start a thread on here to connect with folks here in Indiana. I am not looking for a roomate but folks in our state to discuss and share what we are doing.
This is a chronicle documentary of the creation of my first permaculture hugelkultur swale on contour.
This bed is 6x16 with a 2' peak. Each side is 4' long from ground to peak making the plantable surface area to be 8x16 thus increasing the surface area due to the mounding of soil as opposed to the normal flat garden.
We have 6 - 4x4 beds (96 sqft). This 6x16 (96 sqft) which is actually closer to 8x16 due to the mounding effect is more like (128 sqft) - you can feel free to correct my math this is all estimation anyway. I can't wait to see how it performs over the next few seasons!
But since they may not have the permie attitude we do, I wanted to pose the question to the awesome experts here at permies.com.
I've seen several threads on search here that mention dames rocket and some people eat it. No one yet has said, at least in my searches that it's bad and needs to be killed. I think its a pretty plant. We have about an acre of land. I would love to keep it if it has any benefits.
Just an update. The farm hasn't sold. I have not made a decision to buy all or part of the farm. At this point I'm still working on turning my acre lot into a food production machine... slowly... I still think of the farm often. Thank you all for your feedback and support.