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Jesse D Henderson
Post     Subject: Shade tolerant edible vine?

Burra Maluca wrote:I recently got some seeds of wild wild Hablitzia tamnoides which like to grow in shade. I'm planning on starting a thread about it very soon with as much info as I can find in it.



Burra, that does look like a fascinating plant - thanks!
Jesse D Henderson
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Here's a picture of one of the ladies.
chip sanft
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Jesse D Henderson wrote:

chip sanft wrote:

Jesse D Henderson wrote:Thanks! Passiflora incarnata ("maypop", "passionflower") is on my list but I had thought it needed full sun. Turns out it can tolerate partial shade.



What people in Tennessee, at least, call passion fruit is Passiflora edulis. According to my friend and co-worker, it can handle shade, at least the southern variety of it. You're not that much farther north than we are so it may apply for you too. Let me know if you want some seeds and you can test it yourself.



That's cool - I wonder how well edulis would do versus incarnata. Incarnata is the native passionflower. The Cherokee called it ocoee, and that's how the Ocoee river got its name.



I guess I don't know about nomenclature other than what the person told me when she gave me the seeds, including that it was growing all over in the woods (in the shade) behind her house after she planted it. I'll pay attention to the flowers and see what they look like -- maybe it is in fact maypop. But either way, I'll send you seeds if you want some.
Jesse D Henderson
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Dillon Nichols wrote:Jesse; from what I've heard, actinidia kolomikta is notably more shade and cold tolerant than actinidia arguta. I believe drainage is pretty important, so that might be a factor to consider.

Burra, looks like Armenia gets at least as hot as my area, so that's promising, long as it doesn't mind the damn!



Thanks for the intel Dillon.
D Nikolls
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Jesse; from what I've heard, actinidia kolomikta is notably more shade and cold tolerant than actinidia arguta. I believe drainage is pretty important, so that might be a factor to consider.

Burra, looks like Armenia gets at least as hot as my area, so that's promising, long as it doesn't mind the damn!
Jesse D Henderson
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chip sanft wrote:

Jesse D Henderson wrote:Thanks! Passiflora incarnata ("maypop", "passionflower") is on my list but I had thought it needed full sun. Turns out it can tolerate partial shade.



What people in Tennessee, at least, call passion fruit is Passiflora edulis. According to my friend and co-worker, it can handle shade, at least the southern variety of it. You're not that much farther north than we are so it may apply for you too. Let me know if you want some seeds and you can test it yourself.



That's cool - I wonder how well edulis would do versus incarnata. Incarnata is the native passionflower. The Cherokee called it ocoee, and that's how the Ocoee river got its name.
chip sanft
Post     Subject: Shade tolerant edible vine?

Jesse D Henderson wrote:Thanks! Passiflora incarnata ("maypop", "passionflower") is on my list but I had thought it needed full sun. Turns out it can tolerate partial shade.



What people in Tennessee, at least, call passion fruit is Passiflora edulis. According to my friend and co-worker, it can handle shade, at least the southern variety of it. You're not that much farther north than we are so it may apply for you too. Let me know if you want some seeds and you can test it yourself.
Jesse D Henderson
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P.S. Let's go ahead and eliminate kudzu for my purposes.
But FYI kudzu does have edible uses!
http://www.eattheweeds.com/kudzu-pueraria-montana-var-lobata-fried-2/
Jesse D Henderson
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Thanks! Passiflora incarnata ("maypop", "passionflower") is on my list but I had thought it needed full sun. Turns out it can tolerate partial shade.
chip sanft
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Jesse D Henderson wrote:Yeah I forgot to mention I'm in North Carolina/ USDA zone 7b.



You might want to try passion fruit, too, although it can go wild (that happened to the person who gave us the seeds we planted, and is also why we planted those seeds in a pot).
Jesse D Henderson
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Yeah I forgot to mention I'm in North Carolina/ USDA zone 7b. Actinidia arguta does work for my region - looks promising!
Burra Maluca
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It does well in Scandinavia, but it's not native to there and I think it will take much warmer summers than that.

Those wild plants in the video are from Northern Armenia and I've managed to get some of the seed that was collected to try to get a heat-tolerant strain going in Portugal. I've heard that people struggle to grow it in hot and humid climates, but maybe it was the humidity, or maybe because the domestic plants have been bred in Scandinavia so long they've lost their heat tolerance.

There's a facebook group if anyone wants to join - Friends of Hablitzia tamnoides, the Caucasian Spinach
D Nikolls
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Burra, that's definitely intriguing, and obscure! I must admit I default to thinking 'fruit' when I read 'vine'... If it does well in Scandinavia it should be well suited for Canada, though maybe not my warmish soggy corner. I'll look forward to your thread on it!
Burra Maluca
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I recently got some seeds of wild wild Hablitzia tamnoides which like to grow in shade. I'm planning on starting a thread about it very soon with as much info as I can find in it.



Here's an article you might find interesting.
J Argyle
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Never grown it, but I heard Mashua Tropaeolum tuberosum is shade tolerant in warmer climates.
D Nikolls
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I've read the same thing... but the only ones that I've seen have all been a few years old, and quite small yet. I'm talking not yet waist height... Perhaps it's too warm for them to really thrive here? Time will tell.
Blake Wheeler
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No personal experience, but from what I've heard artic kiwi grow like mad. Not to mention if they're anything like the other hardy kiwi they'll pack on fruit as well. Everything I've read mentions hardy kiwi are capable of growing 100 pounds of fruit in a year. I've looked into the issue some, as I was looking for a vine I could use in shadier areas, just ruled it out as I don't want to have to worry about keeping it under control. Between the poison ivy and the English ivy I've got my hands full battling vines
D Nikolls
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Hi Jesse,

Where do you live? Hard to suggest plants without knowing the climate!

We've got a grape, of unknown provenance, that yields quite well despite being in a relatively shady area. A thicket of himalayan blackberry also works great along a fence here. Other than those, while I have only just acquired a pair this spring and have no prior experience, I have heard that Arctic Kiwi (actinidia kolomikta) can survive with minimal sunlight, but I don't expect it to show anything like the vigor of grape or blackberry.
Jesse D Henderson
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I live in a sort of suburban location, and deer love to visit my yard. I've caught an 8 point buck munching in my front beds, and a doe snacking and napping in my back yard. A fence separates my front and back yard but it's obviously an easy jump for deer.

I'm going to be planting openly in my back yard soon and need to keep the deer at bay. My idea is to build a tall trellis above the fence and grow a vining plant on it. The fence is on the south and north side of my house but both are in shade most of the day, getting the most sun exposure in the afternoon. What plant would you suggest. Ideally it would be a plant that has stacked functions - an edible fruit, etc.

Or - are there plants that repel deer that I could plant?