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R Scott
Post     Subject: consequences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

jack sharp wrote:I know these sort of things get kind of glanced over by mainstream science but does anyone have any good data on establish permaculture sites and their ecological foot print. Don't get me wrong I've seen first hand how powerful permaculture is but I feel we need facts to get more people on board.



The problem is harvest, it is way more time consuming to harvest a polyculture. It isn't a big deal if it is just your garden, but it is still noticeable. Scaled up to even a small market garden and it just kills you financially.

John Wolfram
Post     Subject: consequences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

I can certainly understand the rationale behind growing organics in a desert environment with continuous irrigation. As I deal with wave after wave of insects and fungus in the wet Midwest, if you are limited in what pest control you can utilize I can see the appeal of growing crops in a ridiculously arid environment where the only flora and fauna that can survive are those which are either ridiculously specialized to that particular environment or irrigated.
jack sharp
Post     Subject: consequences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

I know these sort of things get kind of glanced over by mainstream science but does anyone have any good data on establish permaculture sites and their ecological foot print. Don't get me wrong I've seen first hand how powerful permaculture is but I feel we need facts to get more people on board.
R Scott
Post     Subject: consequences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

Monoculture and tillage are still problems, it isn't just about the chemicals.
jack sharp
Post     Subject: consequences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

after reading over some of the articles again, i sounds like the nitrates are being washed into the soil from intensive irrigation.
jack sharp
Post     Subject: consequences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

thanks burra
Burra Maluca
Post     Subject: consecences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

I think it might have been this one.

jack sharp
Post     Subject: consecences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

the video in that article was taken down. based on the title of that thread was it this video?
elle sagenev
Post     Subject: consecences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

I thought Geoff Lawton did a nice video on it.
jack sharp
Post     Subject: consequences from growing organics the same way you grow conventionally?

I've recently come across some studies about high intensity/ "conventional" organic farms, talking about having more damaging effects than traditional agriculture.
It sounds to me like these farms are just trying to replace fertilizers with random offsite poop, instead of actually building a proper system, so they can stick the "organic" label on and charge soccer moms out the hoo-haa.

http://www.examiner.com/article/organic-farming-found-to-be-more-polluting-recent-paper

http://www.hydrol-earth-syst-sci.net/18/333/2014/hess-18-333-2014.pdf

http://wwwdata.forestry.oregonstate.edu/orb/Myths/nature_trewavas_organic.pdf

I would love to here some of your guys thoughts about this.