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Jay Frenier
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

I thought you meant in this forum. Yes, I have been all through the site over the past many years. This is my first time posting (probably my last) but I have been following Paul for quite a long time now. I'll quit asking questions as no one really tried to answer them. Good luck on the village and boot camp and all. Love. Peace.
r ranson
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Right at the top of this forum, there's a little note under the first post, with a link to a summary of all things wheaton labs.  This is a really good gateway to learning more about the work Paul does and the opportunities for people who wish to visit, stay or even make a home there.  This might help you understand more about what this is all about and what you can expect from wheaton labs.  The boots-to-roots programme is just one of many opportunities.
Burra Maluca
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Jay Frenier wrote:

Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?


Where are these videos in this post you speak of?



If you look at the whole wheaton labs forum you'll find lots of threads with videos.  Jesse's ant village thread might be a good place to start.
Jay Frenier
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?


Where are these videos in this post you speak of?
Jay Frenier
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?



As I understand this is verbal so far or have all arrived? Nothing is for certain until the "boots are on the ground". I guess my questions should be directed to someone more personal than a discussion forum. And yes, I read this entire discussion forum. I have not seen the videos yet.
Miles Flansburg
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?
Jay Frenier
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Hey guys and gals, I'm curious as to how well the program is filling up. I've tried to amass a small community of workers of like minds to do something very similar. I've found that the biggest deterrent is land ownership. You have obviously taken care of that part (and I would hope that you give more than just a verbal agreement for this), but suppose someone does the numbers in their head and decides that all the work they provide isn't worth 1 single acre? I'm honestly curious as I have been a farm manager in Haiti for 3 years and also WWOOFed around the NE for 2 years now. I was basically WWOOFing before that before I knew of that organization. I've built up peoples' lands, farms, homes, businesses, customers, etc. But I've found the greed of owners too much and expectations way too high, while they are never willing to do something even remotely similar to what they expect you to do. So, what makes your place, in a very cold area of the country, worth it all? This is coming from someone who doesn't walk away from a very shitty experience before at least a year has passed so I can feel I had stamina and perseverance and gave it a go. Been burned, sounds wonderful, but still sounds the same as many places I helped build only to be left out in the cold.
Jocelyn Campbell
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Garett Conner wrote:Sorry but it appears that my specialness is showing but how do I properly get a hold of Kia and Fred about all this? Or is this the preferred form of contact on this site.


Hi Garett - I think we've connected with you outside the forums - yay! I'm a bit slow in replying, though I thought I'd repeat part of Paul's first post in case it helps anyone else:

paul wheaton wrote:
NOTE!  The bootcamp program is currently FULL.  

We are maintaining a waiting list.   To get in line, you must pay the non-refundable gapper fee ($20 to $100, depending - details here).  

There are two spots left for now until Feb 4.  A gapper could arrive, be part of the early-boot program, and then on February 4, they could help ants in ant village until there is an opening in the bootcamp program.  If this sounds like a possibility for you, please email fred at richsoil.com.

Other gappers that wish to be part of the boot program are also welcome to come and work with the ants until spots in the bootcamp program open up.   Gappers that are helping ants will be given preference over gappers that are not here yet.

Depending on how things go, we might expand the bootcamp program to facilate 8 or more at a later time.  


Garett Conner
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Sorry but it appears that my specialness is showing but how do I properly get a hold of Kia and Fred about all this? Or is this the preferred form of contact on this site.
paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

I updated the first post to show that the bootcamp program is now full and how folks can get on the waiting list.
paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Kerry Rodgers wrote:
Fred, I guess you have 3-ish months to get ready.  I encourage you to post tool needs to a "love" thread!



Good point!  It would probably be good to have shovels, picks, drawknives, spuds ....

Technically, all boots are gappers.  So I suppose all the gapper love stuff would be okay.

Kerry Rodgers
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

paul wheaton wrote:It's official.  All six spots are now full.


Congratulations, Paul and Fred!  Based on reading the forums, I didn't think you would get many takers.  But there is so much context that we barbarians out here in the ether don't get.

Fred, I guess you have 3-ish months to get ready.  I encourage you to post tool needs to a "love" thread!
paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

It's official.  All six spots are now full.

People are welcome to:

-   sign up for the waiting list.  To do this, you still need to part with the gapper fee.  Or, for those that have been here in the past as a gapper, or attended a workshop, you can just send fred an email and you will be put onto the waiting list.

-   sign up for a spot before febuary 4.   The program won't be quite as formal, but some people might find some benefit.  And that time would still go towards a roots package.   When febuary 4 comes around, you can be a regular gapper with the ants.  If you are also on the waiting list, then there is a chance you will be able to get into the bootcamp later.  


I talked to fred about possibly expanding the boot program.  I agree with him that we should first get a few weeks under our belt with six and see how things go from there.


paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

It sounds like we might fill all six spots in the next couple of days.   So I just gotta make it clear right now:   first come, first serve.

Send payment via:

paypal:  paul at richsoil.com

bitcoin:  177pNU2a9iCpUXQwXX9EbtA2UwZpgeqcMT




paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

You would not be owning land.  

My impression is that the US gub'mint allows people to come here for a few months and then you have to leave.    But I gotta say there is a lot with coming and going from other countries that I don't understand.

As for an eight year old:  it depends on how well the 8 year old works.  But I am open to giving it a try for a week or two.


Zola Ndimande
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

If I want to come from South Africa would I allowed to own land in the US? Is this offer for US peeps only? I also have an 8yr old kid...that I would probably bring along...exploring unschooling with her. This offer sounds too good to be true, everyone says around here. There must be a catch. But the thing is, for me, I go by feeling...and so far it feels legit and good.
Scott Dietrich
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

3rd times The Charm! 😊
Jason Learned
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

I think this is one of the coolest ideas I've ever heard! Really cool Paul! I hope you get a great group over there. I'm a little far away, but I'm routing for you. It seems that this is a great way to develop a strong community with people having a similar mindset. Eighteen months of separating the wheat from the chaff and a reward at the end. With a growing community of self sufficient people. Just brilliant!

Jason
paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Robbie Asay wrote: maybe they included the smoke in that.



Smoke?   You mean the forest fire stuff in august?  We didn't see much of that this year.
paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Beau Davidson wrote: I understand the risks of asking a question like this, knowing that unsupervised kids at Wheaton labs may be fed to the bears or set on top of a rocket mass barrel.  However, I am curious if this program may be flexed to accommodate families where one spouse will work his tail off, and the other will stay in charge of the litter. I love the idea of raising my family in a homesteading environment.



I like the idea of doing something like that some day.  

I offered something a lot like this a year and a half ago, but had no takers.  I thought it would be cool to bring in three families and they could support each other.  But I had zero families to try this idea.  

The word "bootcamp" starts off with some meaning where a person would go and share bunks with 50 other people for three months.  More recently it has come to mean something where a person will pay to go get training in something for a week to a month. And the style of training is experiential.  But in neither of those scenarios is there a family.  

I do think that a person could get an ant plot, build a little something for their whole family and that would work.  

There have been kids here.  Lots of kids.   A few were amazingly cool and most were not.   And since the fisher price house is not childproof, a parent needs to rain down hell on a toddler to get them to not destroy things - and in the end stuff just gets wrecked.

The thing with kids has been brought up dozens of times.   For the first time ever, I'm going to do this:   what do you propose?
Robbie Asay
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Jocelyn Campbell wrote:We have a thread about the weather at wheaton labs - winters and summers. We have a remarkable amount of sun here in the winter months, IMHO.



Anything has to be an improvement over western WA cloud cover(9 months)!  I was made to understand by a few people living around the are that Missoula gets about 8 months of cloud cover but maybe they included the smoke in that.
John Derry
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Wow, what an amazing thing. I wish the USA allowed people in (from the UK) for longer than 6 months, I'd be very tempted to park my life and try to be one of the two people still there at the end.
Jocelyn Campbell
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Robbie Asay wrote:Nothing scary about a "little" snow!  It's the cloud cover that would get to me eventually but this is an awesome deal!



We have a thread about the weather at wheaton labs - winters and summers. We have a remarkable amount of sun here in the winter months, IMHO.
Jocelyn Campbell
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Beau Davidson wrote: I understand the risks of asking a question like this, knowing that unsupervised kids at Wheaton labs may be fed to the bears or set on top of a rocket mass barrel.  However, I am curious if this program may be flexed to accommodate families where one spouse will work his tail off, and the other will stay in charge of the litter. I love the idea of raising my family in a homesteading environment.



Welcome to the forums, Beau! This sounds doable, though there are some kinda complicated details to work out when we're providing housing, utilities, basic food for three (or more, depending on the kiddos), instead of one. With a lot of "it depends" kind of situations...


Robbie Asay
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Nothing scary about a "little" snow!  It's the cloud cover that would get to me eventually but this is an awesome deal!  I'd love to see a workshop or something similar where tools and methods could be adapted for people with some mobility limitations.  It's a future project of mine.
Richard Herndon
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Wow, wish I were a younger man, I would jump at this chance to get in on an acre of land! But, I am a 60-year old heart patient now and I do believe that my boot-days are long gone. Maybe in another lifetime.
Beau M. Davidson
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

I understand the risks of asking a question like this, knowing that unsupervised kids at Wheaton labs may be fed to the bears or set on top of a rocket mass barrel.  However, I am curious if this program may be flexed to accommodate families where one spouse will work his tail off, and the other will stay in charge of the litter. I love the idea of raising my family in a homesteading environment.
paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Update:   we now have one boot.  
paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

We've had a lot of people show up in the fall with intent of spending the winter here.   A lot of people are super curious about the rocket mass heaters.

Devin Lyttle
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

paul wheaton wrote:Total number of people that have said "I will be there with bells on, February 4.  How do I make sure I reserve a spot?":  zero



You had to know that asking people to move to Montana in the dead of winter would be a tough sell But, I'm not most people; so if I can make it happen I will. Not making any promises that I'll be wearing bells though.
paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

So far, total number of people that have jumped up to say "can I come out right now?":   zero

Total number of people that have said "I will be there with bells on, February 4.  How do I make sure I reserve a spot?":  zero

And you are asking me "what if 147 thousand people want in on this?"  

I think that when we get to the point that we have four, I will start to try and figure out what to do if we have more than six.  I think we will do some sort of waiting list.
Devin Lyttle
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - boots-to-roots

Very interested in this opportunity. For me, it's a matter of timing; I've got some things in the works that would prevent me from spending 18 months, virtually off-grid, in Montana (as tempting as it sounds). Do you foresee this opportunity extending beyond this cohort? How many 1 acre plots are going to be made available before it starts looking more like the Wheaton Estates subdivision?
paul wheaton
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Click on the thumbs up for this post if you think you might want to be a boot and go all the way to getting roots.
paul wheaton
Post     Subject: permaculture bootcamp - learn permaculture through a little hard work




click here to see the official bootcamp web page!
Most of the information is on that page.  This thread is mostly for discussion.

Let's make sure you are in the right place:

permaculture bootcamp: "learn permaculture with a little hard work." 40 hours a week for a few weeks or months.  Get a warm bunk and organic food with your gardening and natural building experiences. Kinda school-ish. If this is what you are looking for, you found the right web page!

the sepper program:  Rent a humble cabin for a few days or weeks.  Participate in the bootcamp as much or as little as you like.  Maybe you come as a couple and one person works online while the other is in the bootcamp.  For more information click here.







A recent bootcamp project:




A recent winter bootcamp project:





We have 220 acres.  We spend our days gardening and building stuff to our standards. In the winter we heat our buildings with rocket mass heaters (we have more than a dozen).  We are the host for the annual "Permaculture Technology Jamboree" - and in a way, the bootcamp build those same things all year.  We even get quite a few experts stopping by from time-to-time.

We have a different way we do things.  Our gardens feature a lot of hugelkultur. The homes we build are made of logs and mud.  Zero cement, paint or glue.

People come to hang out in the bootcamp for a week or two to immerse themselves in this form of living.  Some come for months.  Some come for years.  

95% of the work done is to benefit the current boots or the future boots. Growing gardens to produce the food of the bootcamp. Building habitat for the bootcamp.  Caring for tools that are used by the bootcamp.  Etc.



a little jingle in your pocket

COIN-1: Several boots have harvested hundreds of dollars by posting pics and videos of theirs experiences here in the BRK program (now at about $2000).

COIN-2: You can shoot videos for Paul's YouTube channel. Details here.

COIN-3: After a few weeks (once we think you can do stuff on your own), talk to us about some bounties for coin.  There are several little projects we are willing to pay for.   A person could earn about $100 to $200 per month on evenings and weekends.

COIN-4: And if there is a special tool or bit of warm clothes you would like to have, the BRK program has proven to be quite generous.

COIN-5: When people need a ride to and from the airport a person with a rig could harvest pick-up and drop-off bounties.  (Normally $20 one way during normal hours and $50 for crazy hours)

COIN-6: When a boot is here long enough, they can harvest some coin giving tours.

COIN-7: Sometimes we have a rush and there is a need for people to help with rentals - and that pays money!

COIN-8: Some ants and deep roots people have paid for help with their plots - building and gardening.

COIN-9: We have a neighbor that sometimes needs some construction help and has paid for that on evenings and weekends.

COIN-10: Some residents in the past have set up patreon accounts and made a few hundred bucks a month posting videos and pics.  

COIN-11: When you have a plot to play with, you can build a fence and some gardens and a structure.   And then you can sell those improvements to somebody else.  

COIN-12: When a boot is here long enough, they can harvest some coin helping with events on weekends.


your own acre (LAST CHANCE, this program is ending! Arrive before June 9th, 2024 for a possibility to get an acre for yourself!)

All boots that have been here for a month get an acre to plant their own seeds and build their own natural building.   You can even start with an acre that has some work already done on it.


the tie-in to the PEP program

The estimates are that a person participating in the bootcamp might get PEP1 certified in about 10 to 12 weeks.   We're thinking half of the BBs would be harvested during project labor and the other half would be on evenings and weekends.   More about the PEP program here.



An interview with people that had been in the bootcamp program, about the bootcamp program



audio only.  


Bits and bobs that might be of interest to new boots:

A summary of all things Wheaton Labs
BRK for boots
bonus for boots - event tickets info (Program ends in 2024!)
the Wheaton Labs forum
online permaculture design course (133 hours of video of the 2017 PDC and ATC)
the 2024 Permaculture Technology Jamboree
the 2024 SKIP: Skills to Inherit Property event


wwoof intern


How to become a Boot


To get in, you must pay the non-refundable fee of $100 for each person.  So a couple would pay $200.   (reminder, this is a drug and tobacco free campus)

You can pay with PayPal, Stripe or Crypto - you'll get the option to choose which once you hit the big shiny button below:








Once we receive payment, we will contact you to start sorting out the particulars.





FAQ


I enjoy weed once in a while, how can I enjoy my weed and still be respectful to your weed-free campus thing?

I suspect a few people have done that.   They go on road trips to washington state for a weekend.  That way they aren't bringing any here.


Do you live under a ten foot thick block of ice through the winter?

This last winter, the ground was bare quite a lot.  Snow would fall and then melt off.  I'm not sure if we even had one day where the temperature got below zero. More details here.


click here for the complete FAQ


Here you can get an idea of 65 different things that the boots have created in about 9 minutes



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