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Anne Miller
Post     Subject: what is the difference between hay and straw

Peter Ingot wrote:Straw is the stems of cereals after the grain has been removed. Hay is wild(ish) grasses and herbs, generally cut while green.

This is my understanding of the difference between hay and straw.

Hay is a product that may contain lots of weed seeds from my experience.  I would not want to put hay in my garden.

Since the cereal grains have been removed from the stems this makes straw a great product to put in my garden.

Jane Lewis
Post     Subject: what is the difference between hay and straw

Mark Clipsham wrote:Perchance the issue is having a global conversation about a local/regional "event". I had a good understanding of the difference, now I have an even better one. I grew up in Kansas and now live in Iowa - it's all "next door". Hard to believe animals would eat wheat straw but they sure do go after corn stalks. Yum.

I was scanning for an entry point to say

this conversation fascinates me. It points to all manner of things I care deeply about. My historical / linguistic horizons are widened. To me it seems everyone here is right, but partial. Different parts of myself are "pinged" with each entry. Each contribution represents a partial context and the "missing variables" keep being located and named.

What have I learned here?
What else can be seen here? Approaching a topic simply to "know it" is likely a frustrating endeavor. One always misses something. It can be 1 big tangle of "it depends" or as I've heard zen practitioners say, it comes down to 2 words "not necessarily so."

And my attention has gone meta - it's gone to process and focus. Here I've got a fine example of why I choose to focus on 1 person / group trying to actually DO a thing. Then we can get a thing done & out in the world, while conveniently learning all sorts of things at the same time.
Peter Ingot
Post     Subject: what is the difference between hay and straw

Straw is the stems of cereals after the grain has been removed. Hay is wild(ish) grasses and herbs, generally cut while green

Straw is good for bedding animals, mulching, composting, making rope etc. As mulch it will last quite a long time, because of its high carbon:nitrogen ratio

Hay is mostly good for feeding to animals. You can mulch with it, but, as I've said before, IMO making it purely for that purpose is not a good use of land, time, energy etc. It rots fast, so if you want to use it as a weed barrier, you have to use a lot and keep adding it as fast as it decays. In composting terms, hay is "green" (rich in nutrients such as nitrogen) whereas straw is brown (mostly cellulose, that is carbon, dry and full of air). However the later you cut hay, the browner it gets. Dry stalks of weeds cut in winter after the seeds have dropped can be used as a substitute for straw, although technically it's hay. In the past, some hay used to be cut extremely late in some places (probably partly due to the time involved in cutting large areas by hand, but also, I suspect, due to currently unfashionable animals such as donkeys, which will tolerate poorer hay).

Animals can and do eat straw, especially ruminants who can digest the cellulose. It is often added to the feed of animals. I tried to bed my goats and donkey with rye straw, but it was obvious to me that they prefered to eat it, at least in winter time. Australian farmers feed cows on shredded newspaper when grass is short during droughts. Wheat straw is generally regarded as poor feed, but oat straw is said to be fairly good animal feed. Generally hay is better feed than straw, but good clean, dry straw can be better feed than bad hay.

In other words, straw and hay are different things, but there is some overlap in their function and properties.