Subject: Cold hardy citrus trees
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| Going down to 25F Monday night-Tuesday morning so I brought my Meiwa kumquat on Flying dragon inside Sunday even though it is only going down to 35F A close up of the graft. | |
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I grow my kumquats in large pots. I had to bring them inside the garage last year. It hit 13 and 14 F and stayed that way for about 48 hours. They are ok, but they don't grow very quickly in our climate. It cools down at night here, even in the summer.
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1 of my seed grown Meiwa trees has died and another is in decline. I have 1 healthy seed grown Meiwa trees doing well and produced a quart of fruit this winter/spring. I have a PT growing next to them for a rootstock transplant this year. i have a Meiwa kumquat that has successfully transplanted from Kuharske citrange to FD roots.
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For anyone in the UK who's interested, I'm now able to finally provide an answer to this question, though not specifically for the 'Owari' satsuma. A company named Pomona Fruits (in the UK), apparently graft all their Citrus onto the cold-hardy Trifoliate Orange ( Poncirus trifoliata) rootstock. See link: https://www.pomonafruits.co.uk/fruit-nut-trees/citrus-trees/satsuma-tree When I called the Sussex Citrus Centre (SCC), they told me they don't use Poncirus rootstock because it wasn't vigorous enough, grafted plants only growing very slowly (timescale of years) here in the UK, when compared to the rootstock they use, which is 'Swingle' Citrumelo. Citrumelo is also a cold-hardy rootstock, being a 'Duncan' Grapefruit x Trifoliate Orange hybrid. SCC said their aim was to have rapid growth for pot-grown plants, which the 'Swingle' rootstock favours. In addition, SCC said they didn't have any experience of growing Citrus species in the ground outdoors. According to the French citrus book that I reviewed (scroll back 12 posts), the Poncirus rootstock appears much better adapted to clay soils than the 'Swingle' one, which would suit our local soils where I live. |
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Only just getting back to you (I spend most of my time on the cold-hardy avocado thread) ... Good to see you're from the UK too, Anthony - which part of the NW? How's your Poncirus doing and is it outdoors in-ground ? |
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Funny thing is that my one remaining kumquat tree got chewed up by my dog recently. After years in the ground, surviving 7-8 winters unprotected, the dog has probably killed it. On the other hand, my citrangequat tree is doing better than ever has. |
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Cris Bessette
You are now in Zone 8A/8B. Your kumquats should do a lot better now. |
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I started them out in pots but they are so hard to grow in pots I moved them outside in ground. Meiwa kumquat trees are almost impossible to grow from seed. It takes them almost a year to reach a size large enough to not be killed by Damp-off. About 5% of my sprouted seeds Made it to 4 months. I do not ship or accept anything citrus due to disease and regulations. Your easiest and least expensive way to get a Meiwa kumquat tree that is grafted to the CORRECT rootstock. is https://onegreenworld.com/product/meiwa-kumquat-citrus-tree/ There are very few rootstocks the Meiwa can be grafted to that will live more than a few years. |
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Wow! I just read this thread from the first post and you must be so proud! So awesome to see the progress over the last ten years. Maybe I missed it but did you ever move the kumquat to pots indoors, as I saw that one year you considered doing that? So, how do we get on the list for seeds from your kumquat tree? 😏 |
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Our yuzu are in pots and don't mind a freeze. We bring them in the garage if it's going to be under minus 10C for a few days. But they probably don't need it as the snock of moving seems to do more harm. |
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| My in ground outside seed grown Meiwa kumquat tree has fruit. | |
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| I seen a post where someone had a yuzu that survived supposedly well below zero. | |
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Mike and Nancy
I'm also in the UK. I've got Poncirus trifoliata, bought from someone selling decoratives. So small tangerine size fruits with bitter skin, lots of pith, tiny juicy bit in the middle. I've also got Chaenomeles speciosa, also really hardy, with sour fruit: not a citrus, but quite common in gardens. Mine are grown from seeds from an unwanted fruit I 'borrowed'. Neither hits the fruit bowl, but they're great in the kitchen. And I'm sure there's a marmalade possible from the two! |
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| I had a New Zealand lemonade, Valentine Pomelo, and a Seville sour orange all of which died. I also had 8 container citrus with the 3 in ground and all of them survived. | |
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I harvested 74 New Zealand lemons and 1 valentine pomelo this winter then both trees died. Don't know why. My seed grown Fukushu Kumquat and seed grown Meiwa kumquat survived and look good. I have another seed grown Fukushu kumquat that will go in where the lemon grew and a seed grown Meiwa that will go in where the valentine pomelo grew.
As far as grafting mentioned above it is just routine grafting. |
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If you can read French and you're interested in growing cold-hardy citrus, then I highly recommend you purchasing the following book: "Agrumes resistant au Froid a cultiver en plein terre" (= Cold Hardy Citrus to Grow Outdoors). Authors Olivier Biggio & Bertrand Londeix, published by Ulmer, Price 16.9 Euros.
I've just bought my copy and read it from cover to cover - fantastic book that breathes optimism into the prospect of growing Citrus outdoors in parts of Europe where they wouldn't normally be grown. If you're in the U.K., post and packing will be another 15 Euros approx. Below are some scans of the book cover and the contents page. |
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Well done Steven - so glad you were able to succeed with that !! Was the grafting fairly straightforward, I mean as easy/difficult as any other plant material ? You know what, maybe eventually the only solution is to buy a P. trifoliata cv. Flying Dragon plant, wait for it to provide me with fruit/seeds, germinate them for rootstocks, then graft buds from a purchased Satsuma plant onto it. Seems a bit of a long haul ... but, from what you say, may it's the only solution! |
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Mike Guye
I was Lucky. Someone gave me a bunch of Flying Dragon seeds and I was able to grow my own FD rootstock. It is almost impossible to find any citrus grafted to PT or FD here in the US. My suggestion is to look for a fruit from PT or FD. There are no other rootstock that adds cold hardiness similar to these 2. I am using Seville sour orange for my rootstocks for non kumquat citrus and FD for kumquats. I get temperatures as low as -23C and can't plant outside with out a 4 layer glass shelter and a heat source. Kumquats are best on PT/FD which can't be found in the USA. Best of luck/skill in your search to you. |
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This question is a bit of a longshot!
Does anyone know of a supplier in the U.K. that sells Owari Satsuma grafted onto trifoliate orange [Poncirus trifoliata] rootstock, or onto other cold-hardy rootstock ? I already tried the Citrus Centre in Sussex, but they don't use Poncirus. Previous studies have clearly shown this rootstock to markedly increase the frost-resistance/tolerance of the Satsuma trees grafted onto them, when they're more mature, apparently down to minus 8°C. Many thanks for any leads ... |
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Hi Mike,
Yes I'm up on Skye. Normally we don't get below -5 deg C but every few yeasr we'll get a colder spell. This year we've not had a hard frost yet - going through a typical wet and windy spell at the moment, but it is generally between 5 degC and 10 degC. Cold, damp and dark...still it's light at 5pm these days and soon be spring.... Good idea with the upturned bucket. I may have an old waterbutt (US = barrel) somewhere. My polytunnel is in shreds just now, although the citrus is in the surviving end. What I normally do is wrap the plant in some old windbreak fabric and just leave it till it gets warmer, but I am a bit worried about causing rot.. It would be quite nice to get fruit or even just flowers! so I should take more care of it really. |
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You seem to be at around 57.4° N (Isle of Skye) - though warmed by the Gulf Stream I was surprised when you mentioned it could dip to minus 10 C, but then I guess how cold it is also depends which way the wind is blowing from, like down here where I am. My goodness, your Citrus plant is a real survivor, and deserves you to go out and give it a bit of TLC right away! Once it's got bigger, though it may well be a bit more cold-hardy - some of these subtropicals get better with age. To protect young avocado seedlings from frost (when small), I'd just invert a 100 Litre black plastic refuse bin over the plant for the night, weighed down with some bricks so it wouldn't get carried away by gales, remembering to remove it of course when daylight returned and temps had rewarmed to 0 C or above - maybe you could do the same with your Citrus in the polytunnel ... |
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| Examples of Citrus growing outdoors, within the London (U.K.) area: http://homecitrusgrowers.uk/citrusplaces/londonoutdoorcitrus.html | |
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Hi Mike,
It's mainly that there are fewer of us from the UK that are active on Permies. I have a 'unknown citrus' in my polytunnel. Seed grown by a neighbour. I planted it out, but don't give it enough protection so it dies back most years (we don't get colder than about -10 deg C though usually) and I don't get fruit. I've had it about three or four years now. It's most likely a lemon or orange I guess, nice scented leaves and slightly spiny. I thought I'd lost it last year, but it grew back from the roots again....We've not had a hard frost this year so it is still green. I should get out and put something round it in case we do turn cold in late winter.... I have seen lemons outside in the South of England - at hridayabija: seed of the heart Forest Garden in East Devon, Sagara had fruiting trees outside with rock walls to the north to give a sheltered microclimate. I don't think he gave them extra protection..... |
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I've had a look through the posts on here and can't find anyone posting from the U.K. - most appear to be from the U.S.A. Why is that ?
Folk are growing avocados in the U.K., so why little interest here in Citrus ? Most of the U.K. is 8A/8B, on the USDA plant hardiness scale (though the full range is 7a to 10), so at least some cold-hardy Citrus would be well adapted to many areas within the U.K. There are several examples of various Citrus growing outdoors, within the London area. |
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| I have taken my indoor citrus trees outside for acclimating for summer sunlight. It is probable that they will have to come in for cold weather. | |
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New additions to my Fukushu kumquat collection grafted late summer 2020. the 2 trees started growing 1 month apart.
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If your citrus trees have fresh growth they need to stay frost free and above 32F and the fruit is destroyed below 28F. My trees seem to do fine with 8 houres of daylight rain or shine.
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| Due to predicted lows of 22 degrees F, I harvested all of my Yuzu crop and most of my citrumelo crop (left some fruit deep in the tree’s interior to be picked later). Result; two wheelbarrow loads of citrumelos and a bucket each of Yuzu and citranges. Used one of those long handled cut and hold pruners to pick the fruit, making harvesting fruit from the thorny tree a much less painful process than if I tried to hand pick the fruit. | |
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| Meyer lemon and ishang lemon are more tolerant of cold than true lemons. | |
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Mark, Lemon trees are the LEAST cold hardy of citrus trees, you'll need to keep it above 29F at the least.
I have Owari Satsuma mandarins in ground in my greenhouse, but they are hardy to around 22F, so there is wide variance between varieties of citrus. (The only heat source is two incandescent light bulbs, one near each tree. They are turned on by a greenhouse thermostat at around 35F. Edit: Some info on varieties of cold hardy citrus: https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/fruits/citrus/cold-hardy-citrus-trees.htm |
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So it seems that folks are worried about citrus trees in greenhouses? This is my concern because I am hoping for a lemon tree in a big pot in the greenhouse I am building. Is supplemental heat the concern? or, is it cold ground that that is the issue?
I have an aquaponics setup that I am installing; I decided that I am going to enclose it with a greenhouse so I do not have to harvest all of the fish (Tilapia) before freezing temps each year. I have considered heating the water with a solar flat plate or an evacuated tube solar collector and hoping that the ambient heat from the 300 gallons of water in the tank along with the water running through the grow beds and sediment collectors will be enough passively warm the greenhouse enough at night without any additional heat inputs. Is there a minimum winter temp for citrus trees? Is there a minimum number of winter daylight hours needed for citrus (Lemon)? This was an interesting thread to peruse. Thanks Mark Frog Hollow Schoolmaster's Homestead Myersville, Maryland |
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I have a small greenhouse I made out of used windows I bought at Habitat for Humanity, it's kept my in ground Satsuma mandarin trees protected for about 7 years or more now.
The greenhouse stays up year-round but many of the windows can be removed or opened for summer use. When I take them off I just put them beside or in the greenhouse. |
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For many years I have been trying to figure out how to make some kind of a greenhouse work. I know my Meiwa kumquats would love it. I use plexiglass covers for some plants like Thyme and licorice, which don't like our wet, soggy winters and springs. They die otherwise, from diseases. They like it dry in winter. We don't get as much cold as in Cincinnati, but we're very wet for a very long time. Partly I have to figure out where I would store the glass during the rest of the year when we don't need it. I know that you can get some windows and things cheaply if you go on Craigslist or Restore, for example, but the logistics are important. Getting something together cheaply that can be stored easily is the trick. Thanks for inspiring us to figure out how to do it.
John S PDX OR |
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| this years greenhouses will provide shelter for my Fukushu kumquat for its 5 winter planted outside and in ground. 4th winter outside and in ground for my Nw Zealand lemonade on C35 rootstock. 3rd winter outside and in ground for my Valentine pomelo on US897 rootstock. Last my Meiwa kumquat on kuharske citrange will see its 2 year outside and in ground. | |
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| I won’t have any seed until I start harvesting the crop later this month. The citrumelo cultivar is Dunston. I have 2 foot high, 1 year old citrumelo and Yuzu seedlings, but I’m not set up for shipping plants. | |
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I have grafted a Poncirus trifoliata to Seville sour orange to serve as an inter-stock since Meiwa kumquat can't be grafted onto sour orange
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Make sure you keep the seeds moist. Citrus seeds aren't like apple or pear seeds. If they dry out, they will never germinate.
John S PDX OR |
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