Mike Smithe

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Steven Johnson wrote:Hi Mike, So how about you tell us what the best idea in the book was? I liked your first post in this thread about how to own the land in community.
I have been thinking about this a lot. I think we need to hold an ideal, a goal in mind, and also work from where we are, immersed in a competive society.If we can identify and learn to trust a group with whom we pledge to work cooperatively, together maybe, against the rest of the world, and get that to work, and accumulate a permanent culture of cooperation, maybe it can accumulate rescources and grow and eventually overshadow the money driven economy. What do you think? Steven



I'm fully on board with those intentions, but it's a massively complex issue that will probably have to shake out on the fly by those who are actually doing it.
Being that we're very much still inside the legal/political/economic 'container' of The Matrix, these land issues require a ton of legal planning and support. It looks like the only way to do it properly/solidly/trustworthy/reliably is to set up legal entities (LLC's/non-profits/etc.) via lawyers/contracts/'corporations'/taxCPA's/etc. It's super complex and I don't fully get it (at all, really) (but I haven't actually read through each page - I've skimmed just to see that this subject matter IS thoroughly covered). Any group doing it will likely need an expert real-estate agent and an expert attorney and a CPA, at several stages through the process.

Of course people can just 'trust' each other and take that leap of faith - but my sensibilities tell me that this kind of thing/behavior will never truly take root for anyone who has any kind of mainstream sensibilities (as in, they want some guarantees for the thousands and thousands of dollars and countless hours of effort they'll be putting into their residence).

The book spends numerous chapters going over it (plus tons of other critical elements involved in the overall picture). It's COMPLEX. So I can really only say GET THE BOOK. Anyone who is serious about this is going to need to have it on their shelf, for thousands of references over time. I see it, used, for $15, so getting the book is the only way to go. I'm ultra grateful that someone has already mapped it all out with a guide like this. I didn't know we'd gotten this far (to be able to step-by-step it...I was worried it's all too new of a concept to have any actual reference material yet.)



12 years ago
I did end up getting that book I mentioned, above, from my library, and it's by far the best and most comprehensive guide for ALL of this stuff that I've come across so far - and haven't found any recommendations anywhere for anything better. So, for now, this might be THE 'bible' for creating/maintaining all the various elements of intentional-communities.
(I'm not affiliated in any way or trying to 'sell' anything... it's simply an awesome book.)

http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Life-Together-Ecovi...ages-Intentional/dp/0865714711
12 years ago
I have been referred to this book for this issue, by a community that has been thriving for years:

http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Life-Together-Ecovillages-Intentional/dp/0865714711

I haven't read it yet, so I can't comment on it - but I thought I'd mention it here in case others are interested.


12 years ago
That's exactly the issue. And I imagine there must be a few communities out there that have come up with creative ways to deal with it. Seems like some kind of 'share' system (like stocks, maybe) in a co-op business model might work...with a board/council that can veto transactions (so as to keep out parties who have the money to buy in but don't offer what the community is looking for in co-residents)?
12 years ago
So, if someone has enough $ to purchase one single large parcel of land, and an intentional community then forms there, have any existing communities come up with any working systems for how individual members of the community can acquire/achieve/purchase 'land security' for themselves inside of this parcel, without actually chopping up the land's deed?

Many intentional community residents are pretty transient, and even many of the long-term residents are merely 'renters' that have no actual $-equity down the road if/when they decide to leave. But what if there are folks who want to have something to show for their money, over time, so that it's not just evaporating away in rent...?

I envision future communities needing to deal with this issue in a formal or semi-formal kind of way (since so much money would be involved), as more and more 'mainstream' sensibilities enter into the equation: people who want to share land and live in community, but also want 'Land Security' like they get if they buy their own property/house (where if they decide to move they have some degree of ownership to sell off and apply to their future).

I know there are some communities designed around individual plots of land, all next to one another, but that scenario isn't going to work in many situations, because of zoning issues and/or the expense of legally/officially chopping up a parcel.

So what kind of alternatives for 'ownership' have been designed? (Any links to relevant articles would also be appreciated.)

Thanks.
12 years ago