neoplasticity Hatfield

can everyone who has the file start seeding again for a while?  I'm trying to download it.  I'll seed forever after I download it.

Yes, I realize that this agreement would not be like the regular tenant farmer agreement as those are geared toward annual crops that have a quick turnaround.  Permaculture would involve planting trees and shrubs and setting up systems that are often self perpetuating but would take alot of effort and planning initially to setup.  Also harvest and yields would be delayed by several years.  So this would obviously have to be a long term commitment on both ends.  If I was the farmer, I wouldn't want to spend a couple of years planting trees and shrubs just to be told by the landowner "sorry this isn't working out" and be booted off the land just as the things are starting to produce.  That is obviously wrong at many levels.

On the other hand, if I was the landowner, I'd hate to offer my land for basically free to someone only to have them rape and pillage the land by planting annuals only that deplete the soil and profiting early and leaving no lasting value on the land and then when the land is depletely moving on and saying "sorry this isn't working out"

The reason I said rent after 5 years is because I think that would be a reasonable length of time for a permaculture type farm to become productive.  I would be more than happy to accept food in lieu of rent however, this land is most likely going to be very far away from where I live.  Land prices in southern california where I live is very expensive and I would probably be buying land in a pretty remote rural setting because of the land cost.  I was thinking that rent would be pretty minimal. 

As long as the person was good, I would be happy for them to stay there until they are too old to take care of themselves.

hmm, i found an informative document

http://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_circulars/CR-598.pdf

Does anyone know how tenant farmer agreements go?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenant_farmer#United_States


Basically, I was hoping that this would be a good business venture for both me and my partner in this endeavor regardless of what the economic situation was.  If the economy is stable, I think food prices will increase and that farming will be a good business, especially boutique organic farming if you find the right market.    I'm not looking to make much money on this venture.  I think it would be really cool to own a farm and if it does really well, the lion's share of the profits would go to my partner who is obviously doing the work.

if the economy collapses, at least we can feed our families.  and if TSHTF, i'm a surgeon and that might be a useful skillset around a farm... i could be a decent vet and if people got injured or sick, i'd be better than nothing.

I would bring capital to the equation and my partner would bring labor and expertise to the table.

I'm hoping there is someone who is excited about starting a permaculture type farm but doesn't have the capital to buy enough good land.  Should he or she be successful, they could buy their own land down the line or buy a portion or our land.

seemed like a good idea.... pubwvj thinks it is, but Mr. Polk has doubts.

also, does anyone know where the easiest geographic area to do this would be?  I'm guessing someplace with ample water and a long enough growing season...  would Wyoming/Idaho/Montana be good or someplace more like Arkansas?    or maybe Pennsylvannia or maybe the pacific northwest?  Central california is farming mecca but that is industrial farming using water pumped up from aquifers...

Here is the dilemma.  Let's say for example, I have a large sum of money in cash just sitting around.  I don't want to invest in equities or gold or anything because if the great depression happens again, I can't eat gold or stocks or cash. 

I could use this money to buy some good land perhaps.  But I need to stay at my job and I'm just a newbie at farming or permaculture.  Do you think anyone would be interested in "developing" my land into a sustainable permaculture type farm?  In exchange, they could live on the land for free and they could sell whatever they produce for profit.  If the sh!t ever hit the fan, I would move myself and my family into the land and they would be more than welcome to stay on the land with us.  then they could teach me how to farm and we could farm it together.  If economic collapse doesn't happen after about 5 years, I would ask for some rent on the land which would be predetermined.

Does this sound like a reasonable idea or is it just stupid?

You might want to use sunken beds instead of raised beds.  Raised beds are better for people that have drainage problems.  Sunken beds are better for people who have lack of water problems.

There's a blog I follow of someone who does surburban gardening in arizona

http://rachelstinyfarm.blogspot.com/

since im in inland southern california and i'm basically in a desert as well though not quite as severe as where you live.

if you want to feed more people, just have everyone become predominantly vegetarian.

1 acre yields 165 lbs of beef or 20,000 lbs of potatoes

H Ludi Tyler wrote:
Except Native Americans didn't have their own writings (no written language).   

Very old people can live to a very old age.  That's certainly true. 

Well the Cherokee have a written language invented by Sequoyah.... of course that was in the 1800s after the white man came

I don't believe there is any consensus on the upper limit of human lifespan.  Certain diseases become almost universal at advanced age - dementia and cancer are two that come to mind.  It is hard to know much of this is due to the modern lifestyle and diet because comparison groups of "primitive" people are genetically distinct and also they die from injury or infection before they reach an advanced age.  People who state that we are supposed to live 200 years or 140 years or 120 years are basically guessing.

Large populations studies have confirmed repeatedly the lifestyle and diet that are known to promote a longer healthier life.  These are:

1.  Daily physical activity (in the form of something that has to be done as part of your daily living so it's not optional like going to the gym.  like you have to walk to get around, you have to go garden and dig stuff, you have to row a boat around, etc)

2.  A diet that is predominantly based on a wide variety of plants rather than predominantly based on meat.

3.  A strong social support structure.

Of the three, many argue that number three is the most important which may indicate that health is more a state of mind than a state of body.

ya the first one looks alot like a dandelion but is much bigger and the leaves dont all come out at ground level.

The last one isn't a succulent so I dont think its related to purselane.  They are tiny and each plant only has two leaves.  Its kind of like duckweed but on land.

I live in inland southern california which is a chaparral type climate but I live a bit in the hills so there are actually more trees even though it is still dry and hot in the summer.

If anyone can ID these weeds, I'd like to know if I should pull them or let them grow more and propagate.  I'm purposely letting dandelions grow since I eat them and they also improve the soil. 

















any ideas?