perma-joy McCoy

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Great thread. I call it the 'lazy housewife syndrome'. Permaculture is all about not wasting steps, time, or energy, so it was like I found the perfect worldview.

Right now I'm finishing up an adobe and cob earthen oven. It works surprisingly well and was a great workout to build. Lots of heavy adobe blocks to lug around, rocks and rubble to scrounge, shoveling gravel and sand, mixing mud, moving heavy wheelbarrows, bending and kneeling, all in all, a very satisfying autumn task. I wanted some red sifted dirt from my daughter's house for the final plaster (and to have on hand for more projects). Her soil is incredibly rocky and compacted, a nightmare to dig. Today I used a pick and shovel for 4 hrs, sifted hundreds of lbs of dirt and rock and filled ten 5-gal. buckets--- that is my idea of a fun workout! The grandkids 'helped' me with their new dirt sifters made from hardware cloth and duct tape. They got a workout too.
14 years ago
My 13-yo daughter says some old stains in a white shirt of hers have disappeared-- "it must be that new soap". Another daughter (age 21) says it does her baby's diapers just fine, all the stains come out, no rashes. Her husband is sensitive to chemicals and he's had no reaction to it. Another daughter (age 22) told me today that she loves it.

I just tried a South of France brand 4.25 oz bar of soap and it gelled much harder than the Irish Spring or Fels so I added 1 1/2 gal. more hot water and we'll see how that works.

Does anyone know how to test water for salinity? I want to try some experiments. I can rig up a 'wetlands' and try some plants like cannas and other ornamentals. I'd test the salinity at both ends and the plants too if possible. That's my only real concern with this recipe. Most permaculturists in my area warn against using soaps that add alkalinity or salt to the environment.

A quick google search brings up the European Union putting disodium tetraborate on its list of substances "of very high concern". (It is not completely banned) The testing agency fed it to test animals. I'm not yet convinced it's less safe than the slew of chemicals in laundry soap. Borax, a mined mineral, has been in constant use for 5,000 years for hundreds of applications.

I couldn't find the link to the Aussie family who uses homemade laundry soap (could be New Zealand) but they built a metal house on concrete slab which heats and cools itself via direct solar gain and airflow. They're christians and the pics of their garden beds irrigated with nothing but greywater were amazing. It was an older blog. If anyone finds it please post the link here. They had a lot of good info.

I'll post my observations and further research as they happen. I hope others do, too. We need people testing this out in greywater irrigation systems.
14 years ago
We started using homemade laundry soap (the liquid-gel version) two months ago. I've made 3 batches so far b'cuz I gave away a lot and everyone who's used it wants more. So far, it's every bit as effective as the liquid Purex I used to buy. There's 5 of us, vehicle grease, red adobe mud, cooking spatters, a zillion towels. So far, so good. I wash in cold, extremely hard water.

NOTE: This soap will not suds, not even a little, so don't be fooled by looking in the washer and seeing dirty water and think you should add more. It is working fine. Adding too much will leave a soapy residue.

There's dozens of sites with various recipes online. Here's the recipe I've used so far:

---1 whole bar of soap, 4-5 oz., the brand doesn't seem to matter. Personally I dislike the smell of Fels, too chemical-ly. Had a bunch of Irish Spring Blue which smells like 'fresh linen'   so I'm using that. (Hint: Use soaps you like the smell of. Don't bother adding essential oils. Too costly, the soap smell overrides it anyway.)
---1 C. Arm & Hammer Washing Soda (can substitute baking soda but it won't gel quite the same. Still works fine, far as I could tell)
---1 C. borax -- If someone could please direct me to posts that 20-Mule-Team borax in greywater is toxic to plants. I've always heard that, too, until I found an Aussie homestead family online who use this soap 20+ years in their greywater direct-to-garden set-up and they laugh when people talk about borax killing plants b'cuz obviously nothing is dying in their fabulous garden with alkaline soils. I'll find the link later. Our greywater is not being used for irrigating yet, but it's always run outside to wild plants that seem unaffected so far.

Directions:
I don't grate the soap. It cuts nicely into shreds and chunks with a big knife and cutting board. Add it to a qt. of boiling water. Simmer and stir occasionally for 30 min or shut off and let soak till dissolved. Or soak the whole bar for several days and heat when it's dissolved.

Heat a gallon or 2 of water (or use hot tap water). I usually put a gallon on to heat while dealing with the bar soap.

Put the powders in a clean 5-gallon bucket. Add the hot dissolved soap and stir with a long-handled spoon until powders dissolve. (I use plastic, don't want my wooden one soaking up the soap smell) Add the 2 gal. of hot water plus another quart to make 2-1/2 gal. total. Stir.

Let sit overnight (or a couple of days) in the bucket, stirring occasionally and scraping bottom well. Doesn't need covered unless stuff will fall in it.   It will gel and take on the color /scent of the bar soap.

I stir it real good one last time and then pour or dip the thickened gel into plastic Folger's coffee cans with lids or 4-qt. ice cream buckets. Diluting or putting this glop into old laundry soap containers seems an unnecessary step.

Use 1/2 c. per large load. I use a ladle which is 1/2 cup, or you can use a laundry scoop or whatever works. Just so you're scooping it out and not pouring it cuz it's a little messy. I have a dish towel under the jug to catch drips and to lay the ladle on.

Here is the math for how much it costs vs. liquid Purex:

An 80-oz. jug of ultra concentrate Purex was about $7.00, probably more now.
So 2-1/2 gallons of Purex would cost $28.

2-1/2 gallons of my homemade soap costs $1.50.
An 80-oz jug of my homemade soap is 37 cents.

That is the kind of math I like.
14 years ago
Wow, Paul that is awesome! I'm hoping this will all be videotaped? Wow oh wow! Thank you for everything you are doing!
14 years ago
OOOh! I just love this forum! I feel enthused about trying these projects again after years of problems like the ones you all are facing.

Back to the drawing board, the homemade one that holds the 17"x22" graph paper... I will be plotting rotation paddocks and designing a moveable coop. Does someone have a ballpark figure for paddock size per bird (or per dozen)?

A few helpful numbers from "Raising Poultry the Modern Way": Chickens need 8-10" of roost space per bird, with roosts 12-15" apart; 1 nest for every 4 laying hens, and 2 to 2 1/2 sq. ft. of coop floor space per bird.

Thank you so much!
14 years ago
I'm new here at the permies forum (hi folks), if O is still around, your TX land is similar to mine in s.e AZ. Your elevation appears to be about 3300' (mine is 4000') and the plants look like what we have here. We're not as hilly but do have elevation changes.

First off, with that much steep ground, watch your roads and the runoff from them. That is a HUGE issue in desert regions where the undersoils are rock-covered caliche / granite outcroppings / gypsum silts. I disagree with the DirtSurgeon that we have to get busy with heavy equipment or the desert southwest will become the Sahara. One disturbed swath of ground on a slope can disrupt a lot of watershed, making for a long battle between you and the seasonal rains if you are trying to get in and out on a regular basis. That's been our biggest problem. As others moved in farther up the watershed, the erosion intensified on our own land.

Like so many folks, we thought water catchment meant damming the washes--not so. It's counter-intuitive--starting at the highest points and catching the water before it gets to the washes. It takes a lot of observing and mapping to put together a good, doable plan for your site. Definitely get Brad Lancaster's books-- he's in Tucson and you can google his website.

Trying to garden on raw land in the desert southwest is sooo much harder than anyplace I've ever lived--I've given up repeatedly, overwhelmed by some new problem that depletes my time and resources. To grow something edible is absolutely mind-bending. I'm not a newbie to permaculture or gardening, but I have yet to grow enough food to feed my family here. I've spent hundreds on carefully-selected trees, shrubs, vines, plants, seeds, omg. 98% succumbed to one thing or another despite my best efforts. I did plant some 'invasive species' and they are doing okay... but they're not edible. By humans anyway.

(Try pecan trees if you want shade and food.)

Tomorrow I will be hauling branches into the fenced garden space and building Sepp Holzer-style raised beds for fall planting. (piles of stuff with dirt mixed in). I think the harvester ants gobbled the lettuce seedlings yesterday, and the newly-transplanted herbs might be gone as well... sigh... they are under knee-high plastic pipe arches with bird netting draped over them so it's not the birds this time...

I'm determined to keep trying... to change my thinking on all these challenges. I've been 'doing battle' with them for years and it's only made me sad and defeated. It's not them, it's my approach,  but I'll be darned if I can figure this place out!

Here's a list of the 'wild challenges' which descend en masse on any newly irrigated / herbaceous spot (add coyotes and bobcat and perhaps mountain lion if you have poultry or small livestock):
--rabbits, hares
--gophers
--rats
--mice
--rock squirrels
--skunks
--grasshoppers
--flea beetles
--open-range cattle
--horses
--loose dogs
--curved-bill thrashers
--english sparrows
--ants
--burmuda grass

The climate varies from months of hot dry winds with dust devils, to torrential downpours, to freezing nights down to single digits. Occasional snow. Hail at any time of year.

Aquaponics using grey water in a hoop house is my next step.

Sorry about the rant... ideas welcome.
14 years ago