Michiel Arts

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By the way, I think hardware cloth-covered grazing boxes are a great way to "green" areas and provide fodder safe from being wiped out by the chickens' zeal. Comfortably shaped brick perches in a puddle of cool water may create some relief in the heat of summer.                                                      
4 years ago
Great thread! On top of all the wonderfull suggestions made: Concerning chickens, if a coop is used it should of course be big enough, provide "entertainment" and resemble the animal's natural habitat as much as possible. In my idea it could be connected to a "gateway run" fully enclosing a kitchen garden. The chickens can provide a great service bug-controling the perimeter of that garden and, moreover, since it is likely to be the area most frequented by humans it would enable a bit more interaction and "keeping an eye on things". I would suggest painting all chicken wire or mesh black (charcoal infused linseed oil?). It makes the material disappear visually, diffusing borders and creating psychological space.That gateway in it's turn can then function as a multi-ported gateway to rotational free ranging areas. I somehow allways think, despite striving to develop day time areas as holistic and beneficial as possible, the "home"-coop (in zone 1) really should be set up in a way that it makes it the birds's favourite hang out. Where they can expect their evening treats, plenty water and the most protected environment they could wish for. Ample suggestions to be found in this thread. No "get inside because I told you so" but a pleasant stroll home after a day well spend in the open. Easier on humans too. Since chickens (roosters!) mainly focus upwards to secure their safety, ample cover is key. In my opinion the roofed area that keeps the (deep) bedding of the coop dry could be improved upon by raising it a foot or two to provide a space for trained vines along the ceiling. To mimic a natural habitat. In Granada, Spain I've even seen the ceiling of a very large veranda fully covered with a virginia creeper but I wouldn't know if that is a chook-safe plant. If deciduous or blooming this "floral ceiling curtain" would also rain down a nice base layer of mulch of course. Just some thoughts... One more thing: What is your opinion on roll-out nest boxes? They are amazingly practical but I'm not so sure they provide a comfortable situation for our feathered friends.
4 years ago

John C Daley wrote:Have you drawn things on a piece of paper to see how the ideas overlay each other, that may help.
I will need to study your comments to make them clearer to myself. And then I will add to the conversation



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5 years ago
Hi Mike,
A few days ago you reacted to my post on coldsinks. I didn't realise you've got such an amazing extensive post on your design, with inputs from so many knowlegable people... Great! I'm going to read all of it!
Thanks a lot for your thumbs up, by the way.
Greetings,
Michiel
5 years ago
Thanks, Mike.
Good thinking about the insulation. I'm going to ponder on that... It might very well be part of the solution.

It"ll be a while before I can put my ideas to work. Don't even have a place yet, nor money to do a lot. I'm just exploring ideas and principles...
Very much interested in the concept of PAHS. Passive! Trying to figure out how that would work in a greenhouse.

Greetings, M.
5 years ago
Hi Mike, thanks for the reply.

I am aware that a raised bed provides  some sort of coldsink. But of course Mike Oehler's idea is to extend that principle. If it is deeper it would be more effective and could offer more gradients and possibilities.More edge-effect if you will.
My idea roughly is to have a raised bed on the south side of the greenhouse. Mainly for annuals, propagation, slide-out coldframes and so on, with some sort of entrance through it  for a deep litter chicken coop. Then a walk way with cold sink (coop underneath), on the east-west axis of course. North of that could have some more annuals but mainly perennials, food forest style. Pretty standard, I'd say.
According to what I understand from Eliot Coleman, a 5% slope of a  terrain towards the south would "move"it about 480 kilometers (300 miles) south, by simulating a higher sun angle.That idea might work inside a greenhouse and would also enhance the coldsink-effect, I think.
Now I'd actually like to pack as many functions into the sink as possible (a tourist destination could be one of them, thank you very much)
Connected to the chicken coop inside the sink would be a closed composting system with subsoil drainpipe exhaust, providing heat, water vapor and CO2 into the soil directly under the plants. The New Alchemy Institute has an extensive report on such a compost exhaust system and it looks very promising. Of course the chickens (and maybe mushroom production) would also provide a certain amount of this heat and CO2. Exterior air intake for this system would be preheated by earth tubes or cellar-vent. I did think of connecting a cellar to the coldsink, but I don't know exactly how to deal with the fact that the cold air from the sink into the cellar might clash with the venting of that cellar, wich normaly would be situated on the north side of a building. Leaving it as a separate unit outside to pre-heat air into the greenhouse (via a small sauna as back-up?) might be a better option. Have to think about it, will search for the video you mentioned...
Thermal insulation around the perimeter of a greenhouse (extending to at least under the frost line) makes a lot of sense to me, but does provide a problem. It also totally isolates it from the soil food/fungal web outside. And we don't want that, do we? Here the cold sink could have yet another function. We could somehow create a corridor for the web, I think. Let''s say we slope the ends of the coldsink (east and west) towards the soil level of the greenhouse . Into the (also mulched) coldsink we could make a small but decent opening to the outside world into a "dry" pile of mulch, that we thouroughly protect from the weather . It would have to be large enough to give ample R-value. That could be calculated, I think it will have to be something like Huge! The moist bottom of the pile would provide the corridor for soil life, the dry mulch on top insulation. You'd have to top it off every fall or so.. Oxigenation of the pile could be done by a trombe wall, if needed. Does that make sense? Any ideas anyone?

Many good, well functioning greenhouse systems exist. But many of them seem to be depending on mechanical and electric (and digital) inputs. That's all fine really, but I think I want to learn more about biological, physiological and hydrological possibilities first. They actually represent the "passive" aspect of a greenhouse (or any house), don"t  they? And they fascinate me...

Anyway, thanks. I think now I"m going to read every permie-post on greenhouses thrice. And then some...

Salut,
Michiel






5 years ago
Hi, newby here.
Ever since I read Mike Oehler"s book on passive solar greenhouses, one thing about his design stood out for me: The Coldsink. A place under a walkway for cold air to gather and be re-heated by the earth. It seems to make perfect sence to me, and if it works I see tons of opportunities to work with one.
But when  I search the inernet for one in action, all I ever get are references to the principle and design. There doesn't seem to be just one in the whole wide beautifull world (apart from his original one) wich  really surprises me. They seem to make perfect sence and offer possibilies for connection with mushroom-growing, chicken coops, compost production, wildlife corridor, air intake and so on...
Does anyone know about a functioning example, or of any reason why they never get implemented?

Thanks a lot,
Michiel (the Netherlands)
5 years ago