The Non-Petroleum Bike

Other than recycling rubber to make new bicycle tires, what could be done to make a bike as efficient and comfortable as current bikes without using petroleum? What else could good tires/wheels be made of?

How about a bamboo frame/wheels with latex tires?
Design/build that, and you may become the next "Bill Gates".

I thought latex was a petro product.

Latex = Rubber
natural rubber is tapped from trees.
Henry Ford set up plantations to supply rubber for tyres of his autos.
They were later adandoned.

Jen0454 wrote:
Latex = Rubber
natural rubber is tapped from trees.
Henry Ford set up plantations to supply rubber for tyres of his autos.
They were later adandoned.

wouldn't vulcanizing rubber take a lot of energy? 

Natural rubber cultivation may be going the way of the Irish potato monoculture of the 19th century.  South American leaf blight 
http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/100/6/1125.short

There are lots of bamboo frame bikes around, it seems the idea is quite popular.

See here for example: http://abstractdynamics.org/2003/07/growing_transit_the_bamboo_bic.php

The issue seems to be jointing.  Even if you use steel joints then at least that is cutting a lot of steel out of the bike, and making it lighter at the same time.

I think another issue would be durability, at least in some climates.  Bamboo breaks down pretty quickly here when it is exposed to weather.  The heat tends to make it crack and then it loses its strength, water gets in etc.  I guess if you can just cut some new stuff and re-assemble it easily, its not a big deal.  I don't know if you can use any natural products on bamboo to help protect it?  I can't imagine it being very absorbent to waxes/oils.

Steel bikes can last just about forever if you look after them.  There's about 2.5kg of steel in a bike frame, and at least 100-200 times as much in a small car (plus all the other stuff).  So, making steel bikes for everyone would be easy if we did it now, but maybe not so easy if we keep depleting this other resources and it becomes harder to produce steel in the future.

Though the logistics of producing steel could get difficult if everyone is on bicycles, so perhaps it is a good question

I don't see the need to not use steel although carbon fiber might be better. I don't think tires are made from natural rubber or that there is enough natural rubber in the world to meet the demand without petroleum. If we could simply recycle tires using eco-friendly energy, I could be happy with that.

Pretty sure steel has major durability advantages over carbon fibre.  I have heard carbon bikes basically lose their stiffness after a few years and eventually will fail.  Steel frames could last more than 100 years.

Vulcanization doesn't necessarily require heat. Maya peoples of Central America and southern Mexico were apparently mixing the juice of an Ipomoea species with latex hundreds of years ago to produce rubber very similar in use to what is produced by modern vulcanization techniques. Varying the ratio of Ipomoea juice to latex changes the properties of the rubber. See, for example: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/31/science/la-sci-rubber-20100531

How about making the tire out of a thin, soft animal hide (chamoise or deer?) and coat it with latex.  Might need "retreading" every year or so.

Bicycles were certainly made (and popular) before petroleum and the resulting plastics became a common sort of thing, but these days, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to do so. Even if you were to construct a bike made of all metals and natural rubber tires and tubes (and a Brooks saddle, of course), there's still the issue of oil being used in the original construction of the thing, and the transport from factory to consumer.

And I'm not sure whale oil is the socially acceptable alternative for chain lube.

If tubes and tires were not produced anymore than I could see bikes going more in this direction.



A lot of them have pieces of car tire fastened to the wooden wheel.

They do manufacture latex tubes already, although I am not sure if it's by design or by the limitations of latex itself but they leak air twice as fast as a normal tube. So it takes energy to keep air in them. If you only had a limited number of pumps or ways to get air in the tire leaky tubes aren't going to be good.

The short answer, then, would be "Yes, it can be done", but the long answer is more complicated. I can lube an entire bike with natural bee's wax. Tires and tubes can be made from natural rubber. So yes, it can be done.

But: When the time comes, will it?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

The local metal recycling drop off sells old bike parts by weight.  I often thought it would be fun to learn how to make a custom bike out of a few broken ones.  

Tyres, chain oil, and seat would be a challenge to make without new materials.

Maybe a seat could be made out of wood. You could use the same tools for fashioning spoons to scoop a comfortable seat ; )

In the “collapse” scenario, I probably wouldn’t bother. None of us would be in too much of a hurry, as we would be trying to conserve energy so might be walking instead. There are many industrial processes that can be powered by bicycle as well.

I think a tire is only worth making if it lasts long enough to justify the expenditure of energy used in its manufacture. It may be possible to make changes in the road to make this viable—packed clay I could imagine being easy on more marginal materials like leather, avoiding things like asphalt, gravel, and other abrasive materials, and keeping them clean, free of sticks, thorns, litter, etc.

My thought is that softer materials could be glued together in layers to make a non-inflatable tire.

The vulcanized rubber idea…I wonder if I mix bindweed sap with milkweed sap? Would they make rubber? I also am planning on trying tapping sumacs for latex.

I once saw a rope used as a tire in a museum.   I was told it's not comfortable on the old bikes.  But it worked.  

r ransom wrote:I once saw a rope used as a tire in a museum.   I was told it's not comfortable on the old bikes.  But it worked.  

Oh, that is a good idea! I might see if I can find one for the next time I have a flat tire.

I would be interested to hear how they get it attached though—tying on might be a little questionable.  

The rope was spliced while wet, then it dried to the rim shape.  It looked like a bast fibre, sizel, or jute.  

Could you use steel springs as the cushion in an all steel tire?
I googled that and the results were not promising,but there is a company making memory metal mesh tires for bicycles.
These tires is use less rubber and can be retreaded.
That would open the door to rubber coatings that are not based on petroleum.

https://smarttirecompany.com/


A different way of using bikes that might escaped the need for rubber tires is a  rail road riding bike.