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Help identifying two wildflowers

 
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The pink fuzzy wilflower was in the Weeki Wachee Preserve and the purple fuzzy wildflower came along with a fig tree from the Nature Coast Botanical Gardens, so both are from West Florida.
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The first one is a thistle, no clue on the second
 
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I don't recall seeing anything quite like the second one and I've had a few gardens in Florida. Ageratum, maybe.
 
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The second one looks just a bit like White Butterbur.  I don't think that's what it is, if it's growing out of those little paired leaves, but that's slightly closer than never!
 
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bump! These never did get identified. The first one is some kind of thistle, but I don't know what kind. Anyone able to ID it better? And the second one is unknown.
 
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The first one is bull thistle after flowering, the fluff carries the seeds. No idea on the second.
 
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Pearl Sutton wrote:bump! These never did get identified. The first one is some kind of thistle, but I don't know what kind. Anyone able to ID it better? And the second one is unknown.



See if you think the second one might be:
Eupatorium havanense
Or
Conoclinium coelestinum
 
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