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My hawthorn isn't flowering!

 
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There isn't going to be any hawthorn jelly this year!  For the past few years the little tree (C. schraderiana) in my front garden has been covered in blossom and yielded pounds of berries in autumn.  It hadn't occurred to me until just now when I saw a few clumps of blossom on it, that's all there is!  It hasn't been frosted or trimmed, it simply hasn't formed buds.  It's grafted.  When is the formation of flower buds triggered?   I had some hard trimmed C. monogyna out the back when we moved here and I never trimmed them, and it took them about six years to calm down from the vigorous growth they put on, and actually start to flower again.  But the one out the front has only ever been lightly pruned by taking small branches back to a joint, so there were plenty of leaders left on.

I think it's just having a rest year, I hope so anyway.  I wanted to get a decent quantity of seed to try and germinate some!
 
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How are you local wild may berries?  I've never made jelly, but of the multitudes of wild ones, maybe there are some good enough?  What are the requirements for a good jelly?

I know how you feel though:  I was so disappointed last summer that I couldn't make green tomato salsa:  every one ripened :)
 
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Galadriel Freden wrote:How are you local wild may berries?  I've never made jelly, but of the multitudes of wild ones, maybe there are some good enough?  What are the requirements for a good jelly?



They're just so tiny though, aren't they.  I think the only time I ever picked wild hawthorn I'd picked too many things at once and they got left in the bag and smelt of fish and it kind of put me off!  No doubt it will be something else this year that there is loads of.  And it's not like I don't have a cupboard full of last year's jam still...
 
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My goodness, I thought that was what hawthorn berries were:  tiny!  How big are yours?  I think of them as being around the size of a blueberry.  And not having much of a flavour;  are yours particularly aromatic/flavourful?
 
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Well there are large blueberries and small ones, but Crataegus schraderiana berries are about twice the diameter of an English wild hawthorn, and a deep red.  The flavour is not remarkable and the flesh is a bit dry, but cooked they have a nice appley sort of taste and the skins give the juice a dark red colour.  They do have rather large hard stones which break apart into several sections like a terry's chocolate orange.

Mine was mis-sold me as C tanacetifolia in a garden centre, just as an ornamental tree.  I'm trying to germinate seeds because I want to take it with me when I move house and this one is grafted so has never got very big.
 
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