• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education experiences global resources the cider press projects digital market permies.com private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Nicole Alderman
  • r ranson
  • Anne Miller
  • paul wheaton
  • Joseph Lofthouse
stewards:
  • Mike Jay
  • Jocelyn Campbell
  • Devaka Cooray
garden masters:
  • Steve Thorn
  • Dave Burton
  • Dan Boone
gardeners:
  • Joylynn Hardesty
  • Mandy Launchbury-Rainey
  • Mike Barkley

Brown Ducks I cannot identify

 
Posts: 2
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I spotted these two several years ago near my home in NE Illinois.  In 51 years here I have never seen anything but Mallards until, and this time.

It's possible they escaped from a small nearby suburban farm.

They have similar bits on their beaks to Muscovy's, but clearly aren't Muscovy's unless they're a hybrid.

Any ideas on what type of duck these two are?



 
master pollinator
Posts: 11035
Location: Central Texas USA Latitude 30 Zone 8
601
cat forest garden fish trees chicken fiber arts wood heat greening the desert
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I've been looking and looking at pics of ducks and can't find anything remotely similar.  Best guess is they are sterile hybrid offspring of Muscovy and somebody else...

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Muscovy_Duck/overview
 
Posts: 46
Location: Lewis County, WA USDA Zone 8b
2
cat dog trees
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Thanks for the pictures, Michael. I'm of no help, but it's cool that you shared the pics and helped expand my knowledge. :)

@Tyler: Thank you for that link! I've bookmarked The Cornell Lab of Ornithology page, and I'm about to take a dive down that rabbit hole.
 
Tyler Ludens
master pollinator
Posts: 11035
Location: Central Texas USA Latitude 30 Zone 8
601
cat forest garden fish trees chicken fiber arts wood heat greening the desert
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I encourage you to join the Cornell Bird Lab.  They are very helpful.

 
pollinator
Posts: 941
Location: Victoria BC
93
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I have seen Muscovy crosses that look like these, but damned if I can remember what they were crossed with...
 
Tyler Ludens
master pollinator
Posts: 11035
Location: Central Texas USA Latitude 30 Zone 8
601
cat forest garden fish trees chicken fiber arts wood heat greening the desert
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Maybe Orpington?



https://www.thecapecoop.com/great-backyard-duck-breeds/
 
Michael Bradley
Posts: 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Tyler Ludens wrote:Maybe Orpington?



https://www.thecapecoop.com/great-backyard-duck-breeds/



I think I saw that one in the Google search.  Would we get a darker brown bird from a Muscovy and an Orpington?
 
Tyler Ludens
master pollinator
Posts: 11035
Location: Central Texas USA Latitude 30 Zone 8
601
cat forest garden fish trees chicken fiber arts wood heat greening the desert
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I couldn't find a kind with a darker reddish brown.

More info about confusing ducks:  https://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/domducks.htm
 
Beth Johnson
Posts: 46
Location: Lewis County, WA USDA Zone 8b
2
cat dog trees
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Michael Bradley wrote:

Tyler Ludens wrote:Maybe Orpington?



https://www.thecapecoop.com/great-backyard-duck-breeds/



I think I saw that one in the Google search.  Would we get a darker brown bird from a Muscovy and an Orpington?



I think it depends on the dominant and recessive genes of the breed.

Muscovy Genetics

Backyard Chickens: Understanding Basic Colour Genetics (Mallards/Derivatives) (made my heard hurt).

Dave Holderread also did research on alleles and their affect on duck color (it's in Storey's Guide to Raising Ducks, and I can't find the study online). I have Cascade ducks from Holderread that are sex-linked; basically if I breed a drake with another breed, the ducks will be sexed at birth by bill color.

I think Oregon State did a study as well, but I just got off from work and my brain is mushing. I'll check when I've decompressed (today I hate my job), because I usually nerd out on this stuff.



 
See where your hand is? Not there. It's next to this tiny ad:
Control Garden Pests without Toxic Chemicals
https://permies.com/t/96977/Natural-pest-control-garden
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
Boost this thread!