Mike Woodhouse wrote:
. . . . Have you ever used one Jean?
Peter Fishlock wrote:Thanks for the info on the bitter orange, thats give me something to research.
Mike Woodhouse wrote:Citrus! You.re brave! I can confirm from personal experience that Japanese bitter orange is called this for a very good reason! I'm not going to tell you what to grow but there are always other options to explore. For me personally, citrus in the UK seems like high work input - low satisfaction output. Having said that, a few years ago I went to look at Geoff Hamilton's gardens at Barnsdale and remember he had both Clementines and Limes, outside, and fruiting well. He also had nectarines and peaches outside. I will have to go back and look at the siting and microclimates with new "permaculture" eyes.
SWOG Forum wrote:A few years ago I got excited by the idea of cold tolerant citrus. Yes you can grow them outside. Yes you can get them to fruit. No!!! you wouldn't want to eat any of them. I had one variety of satsuma and one hybrid orange/kumquat that were just, just about possible to eat, but nowhere approaching pleasant. Everything else I bought was just truly horrible. Even marmalade made from them was disgusting. I think it's worth bearing in mind that the optomistic descriptions you read about them are written by real enthusiasts... I don't want to be the one to put a downer on your citrus hopes, but really don't waste the time, money or enthusiasm on it. By all means grow a couple of the trifoliate orange (poncirus trifoliata) for the novelty, but cold tolerant citrus of any real value just haven't been bred yet that tolerate our climate. (By that I mean our maritime climate - there are some very cold tolerant citrus that are decently edible that can take winter temperatures much colder than we get here, but they have problems remaining properly dormant in our relatively warm winters, making them very suscetible to even light frosts. In terms of them setting fruit our summers are to cool for it to ripen propery. My point being that it's no good just looking at what minimum winter temperature a variety can take, that's all very well in a continental climate of very cold winters and hot summers - you need something that can take relativey warm winters and relatively cool summers.)
Peter Fishlock wrote:its funny you mention doing that with the pine because I have a scots pine tree in the garden that I gotta take out and I thought about using it for the blueberries, I didnt know though if they would affect the ground too much, so I also thought about just getting loads pine needless to put onto and into the ground where I plant the blueberries. I think that because its just a small allotment it might create an issue whereas if i had a field that Id do that definately. I bet there is a whole range of plants that love and acid soil that would really benefit a diverse garden.
Peter Fishlock wrote:How tall is your hugelkultur? Im hoping get mine real high so I can really so and get a good understanding just how they work and what there strengths and weaknesses are.