I must respectfully disagree with you on this criticism of the Wheaton Lab PDC. I was one of the instructors at the 2017 PDC, where I greatly enjoyed the depth and intensity of discussions with all the students, instructors, and staff, including with both you and Nick. I have spent nearly 20 years arguing with Paul, since I met him at my Master Gardener course where he was a student. We disagree more often than we agree! Yet, I always feel respected and safe and am often inspired to delve deeper in my farm/garden practice and into the academic ecological, horticulture, and soil science, literature to back up my disagreements with Paul. The interactive discussion I had as an instructor at this 2017 Wheaton Labs PDC has excited and inspired me to a much clearer understanding of permaculture theories and the farming systems I have been experimenting with and "evolving" for 30 years. I think respectful disagreement is like the sharp edge between forest and meadow in a natural ecosystem; it is the place where all the transition activity is happening. I very much appreciate Paul and Jocelyn for providing this kind of inspiring forum. It allows me to participate in a much larger discussion, even when my natural inclination is to stay on my farm getting my hands dirty.
joe pacelli wrote:I share space in the world of psychology. Shame and unexpressed resentments can lead to many fucked up demands, misbehaviors, AVOIDANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY, and dramatic displays. Unless someone is hacking one's head off with an axe, big blow ups are unproductive. These anger explosions give more insight into the mentality of the person throwing the temper tantrum, rather than their target.
Tim Engbrecht wrote:..... when they decided to slander Paul and suggest he is up to no good, they have no substantial evidence(video OR otherwise), but lean on "trust us!". It doesn't make sense; Paul's explanation DOES.
Please READ the comments on both websites regarding this issue and make an informed judgement about who you think has better EARNED your trust.
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Speaking of lyrics, I wrote the lovely limerick, but it was determined that it didn't quite meet publishing standards. :-)
Kate Michaud wrote:Bumped into this thread by accident, but so glad to read more about the sequence of events, as I did see the "Video".
My main question is; at anytime was there a written contract? Or was everything a verbal agreement? (It may have been mentioned in this thread and I missed it).
Having spent 6 decades walking this earth, I have learned people have selective memory, and interpretive expectations.
A written contract, even in a barter situation, signed and dated, serves to correct this selective memory, hold participants accountable to the terms of the agreement.
A "Breach of Contract" clause should be included. The rules of the game, and expectations are clear from the get go. If and when things go off the rails, a viewing of the "contract" usually settles the matter right quick. There is no denying the guidelines of the original agreement (contract).
Contractual Agreements have served me well over the years. It keeps things in order, disputes to a minimum, and conclusions fair. It's not a matter of distrust, but people's perceptions vary greatly, their expectations even more so, and their memories are innately subjective .
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