I have a maremma (Italian livestock guard dog) that won't stay on my property. I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to keep him at home.
I have read through various livestock guard dog publications and found a PVC triangle to 'fence' train dogs, so I've made my own using a harness and a PVC triangle. Please see the attached pictures. At first the triangle would just lean so he could easily go under a fence, so I put a harness on him to avoid the lean, but this has only minorly deterred him.
PLEASE any suggestions??!! My neighbors are kind in calling me about him being on their property, but they are getting tired of it.
THANK YOU THANK YOU
Edit: of course, thats the one that goes through
Gracie Philipsen wrote:Can you run a hot wire along the fence?
I was having some trouble with mine starting to wander too,
but she got shocked a couple times and now she won't even test any fencing, just in case it's electric.
this is quite true.... i had a neighbors dog stuck in the cow pasture wanting out of it... but it wouldn't go near the electric fence gate.
So i thought...i'll solve this, and unhooked the gate and now it's open by 15 feet wide. The dog still refuses to take the chance even
though i walked thru it twice saying, "it's ok, no gate". The dog ran up and jumped over the invisible gate even though none was there.
that taught me allot about dog behavior.
what you need is a shock color and a hand held buzzer so as you walk the dog around your property line and it gets to close to the border
be ready to zap it accordingly until it learns where not to walk.
also i thought these dogs did best when they were bought as a working dog ie.,. some sort of flock herd to live with and look after, lady up our way has one for her sheep/goats not sure which and the dog lives with her animals very happily. they have a rural block couple of acres and the fence will be the rural norm just dog wire.
the poor animal looks miserable in tha yoke assembly.
generally any working dog breed not suited to simple pet status.
wonderful looking dog hey?
4 stran barbed wire won't necessarily stop a dog put up a 5 foot dogwire fence, not going to be cheap aroung 22 acres but fence off a smaller compound are say an acre or 2 around the house. we trianed 5 of our dogs not to go beyond teh 4 strand barbed wire fence but they where bitsas no pedigrees, working dogs need to be worked, you will need some toys and ablle so teh dog can play go fetch, that may go a long way to fixing the problem.
I'm not ignorant about the breed - yes, he IS a working dog and he has work to do. I have an abundance of animals he is to protect! He's been bonded to chickens since he was a pup. But this breed is known to roam too. He wanders off because it's more fun to chase the cows next door than to do his work.
The yoke may look unpleasant, but it's better than getting shot, like our last dog who wandered. Also better than being tied up 24/7.
We do have a house yard fence, so maybe I'll close those gates and see how we go.
He knows which fences he's not supposed to go under because I've taken him the entire perimeter and whenever he's strayed I've scolded him and he's understood. He is consciously choosing to do this despite his training (maremmas are free thinkers)
try reverse psycholgy (not a mind control advocate but) instead of scolding speak words of poitive kinds, like our current dog has too much bull terrier(pig dog they know but one thing attack and kill) in her cross breed with a kelpie, but we are winning instead of rousing when she savagely barks at this dog and not that dog passing we tell her she is a good girl and got to be and ahve a sleep she loves her beds. we are now winning where we were going horse yelling before. she is learning not to chase kangaroos or wallabies and hares, she has learned to not even bark at them so her interest has been lowered. when we have our own place 1.25 acres with 5" dog wire fence and dog safe farm gate she will relearn her boundries, she will have ownership. she has also learnt to walk beside us not ahead of us or behind us, does not pull on the leach when it is on, comes to heal, only reward is a kind soft word, don't believe in treat rewards
teh first years of their age is the best training time
balls in your court
lovely dog still looks sad.
This might work, it's not cruel, it just limits his mobility. I have experience with 7 livestock guardian dogs. 1 of them, who was pure Great Pyrenees would NOT stay on the property. I have 7 strands of HOT high-tensile fence. The damn dog still got out, and unfortunately got hit by a car and died. After this I tied the tire on another dog who was wandering. After a while I took it off and he sort of stopped. It's all about the breed of the dog. Some will just expand their range, every day, farther and farther out.
Hope this helps.
It seems like you have pretty much tried everything!
We also have a Maremma, she is 5 years old and we are really lucky as she stays on our property. We have sheep and chickens which she protects.
Our property is smaller than yours,its only 5 hectares around the house and we have the whole thing fenced in, and we have never had problem with her going off the property.
They are a great working breed.
Good luck with your dog, let us know how it goes!
Before I got that system, the GP mix gal would r-u-n-n-o-f-t whenever she took a notion. The $800+ vet bill to repair her leg after she got hit by a car was enough to convince me that I needed something to keep her home.
If that's too costly, I agree with the tire and chain option. Couldn't be more miserable than that PVC triangle.
Jill Bell wrote: But this breed is known to roam too. He wanders off because it's more fun to chase the cows next door than to do his work.
I have a maremma who is hard to contain but with 125 acres I let him wander & hope for the best. Maremmas do tend to have a 1 mile radius unlike Pyrs who can claim a 15 mile radius!
I watched this dog climb a 6' fence so you may need to keep that triangle on him. Maremmas are shape shifters!
My dog does escort deer off the property but I would not say he "runs deer." He does go to the neighbor with cows but mainly when they drag dead calves out towards the woods. It's like a buffet for my dogs! The farmer used to get upset until one of my LGDs came right over to her and sat down. The dog never once looked at the cows, ducks or other critters so she was finally convinced that the big white dogs who occasionally visit wont actually harm her livestock (dead animals are fair game). If your dog is actually chasing the cows that is a harder sell.
I would post some questions to Maremma specific sites. The yahoo group I followed formed a new Forum and they are very helpful.
andrew son wrote:I mostly away from home and I want a dog for the home protection.
Do you mean mostly away during the day or mostly like a 2nd home? Livestock guard dogs really are better off with livestock to guard. They are not attack dogs. They act defensively and do what they can to convince predators that there are easier meals elsewhere. One of the methods used to convey this info is to bark at night. They also bark during the day as suspicious things like low flying planes or strangers.
If someone comes on to my property that they've never seen, they will stand between me and the stranger. They would try to protect me but not attack on demand.
So far so good though. Actually we did loose our first Maremma under suspicious circumstances. My husband got into a disagreement with someone who wanted to hunt on our property and the next day our problem dog vanished. We never saw either one again and that's a good thing.
The problem with the livestock guardian dogs in the US today is that casual breeders are breeding and selling them as livestock guardian animals but are not selectively breeding for their original traits of bonding with and staying with the herd~more and more they are being utilized in suburban areas and losing their natural traits~be it through irresponsible breeding or through being underutilized on small acreage. In other countries there are no fences and herds are pretty much on open range..and so are the dogs. They wouldn't last long there if they wandered off and didn't do their jobs and only the specialized and capable animals would be kept for use.
I've bread dogs for about 8 years now, and I've learned that there is a lot of variety that comes out of any given litter. Just because a dog is a certain breed doesn't mean that it will have certain behaviors.
I've noticed my dogs that run away are way more independent thinkers. They do not enjoy learning tricks and making their owner happy by studying me to see what I want. They are genuinely interested in protecting the property, but they want to do so in their own way. If that means exploring the nearby mountains then that's what they do. I really do not think this is something you can change with training, because they will start to sneak away when they think you are not looking. I do think training will minimize the frequency of off-property venturing.
So my advice is to get two more puppies. It's always better to raise two dogs at once. Don't let the older dog train the puppies to leave the property. Hopefully with the new puppies, at least one will remain on the property with no leash. Then the other dogs that like to run away can still be utilized in enclosed areas or on an overhead run. I've noticed that my dogs that do run away are also the ones who engage with predators in battle. They each have strengths and weaknesses that you can use to your advantage.
Then the dog didn't go anywhere so I let both big white dogs out at the same time. Eventually they took off, running on contour north and then down the mountain towards the nearby farm.
It was neat to track him but it didn't stop me from worrying. I got an email that he crossed the virtual fence.
In the morning, both dogs were back but the tracker was down at the farm, so clearly that is the weak link. I tried to find it on Saturday but it has snowed and the snow drifted. Battery down to 65%. Went back down today and I DID find it, 12 feet from where my phone said it was. Battery was at 35%
So I guess I give it a B+. They say it's accurate to within 50' so 12' was pretty good. To get an A+ it would need a longer battery life, a louder beep, a better way to attach to a dog, and it would need to be waterproof. My jerry-rigged waterproofing worked, but it was kludgy.
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