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Antonio Hache wrote:My 2 cents:
Plant small and dense. See how it grows. Prune and/or eliminate as you see how it evolves.
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Stacie Kim wrote:I've seen people who planted two varieties of apple trees in the same hole, so they'd be extra sure of proper pollination. Then they let them grow and prune them as if they were one tree. As far as I could tell, both trees looked healthy, shaped well, and bore good quality fruit.
James Landreth wrote:Over the years I've heard a lot of conflicting views on whether or not to space things close together or far apart, in a permaculture food forest/forest garden system. What is people's take on this? I've always opted for more space rather than less but have a lot of plants on hand that I'm trying to pack into a small-ish space this year. The site has good soil and plenty of sun
Crt Jakhel wrote:Could depend on the climate also... My experience has been that planting close together led to problems with moisture-related disease (on apple and quince trees) so I'm in favor of leaving plenty of space (as a rough measure, the expected height of the tree).
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James Landreth wrote:I consider "close" to be anything closer than conventional spacing, which in my area is:
Standards: 20-30 feet
Semi-dwarves: 12-15 feet
Dwarves: 8-12 feet, sometimes listed as as close as 5
Shrubs: 5-10 feet
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In the book Edible Forest Gardens vol 1 (Jacke & Toensmeier) there is a section on Vegetation Density which discusses canopy and root spacing in great detail.
Overly dense spacing is the biggest, most common mistake we've seen in forest garden design in all our travels. People seem to think we want to mimic forests in all ways, including their high density, but this isn't necessarily true. Dense spacing leads to high competition for light, water, and nutrients.
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Jay Angler wrote:Great information everyone! I'm currently trying to decide on a small planting area, so it was good to read what people are thinking works in their eco-systems.
I have "plants I consider valuable" and plants I can root easily so I consider them "disposable". Last year I planted an apple tree, and I needed it to not encroach on an on-farm road, so I was careful to consider its maximum possible width. However, with our summer droughts, I don't find things like apple trees achieve their "maximum potential" in general, so do take that into the calculation.
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I've got a mix of "planted by former owners so who knows what they are" and planted by me. My impression is that:James Landreth wrote:
Jay Angler wrote:Great information everyone! I'm currently trying to decide on a small planting area, so it was good to read what people are thinking works in their eco-systems.
I have "plants I consider valuable" and plants I can root easily so I consider them "disposable". Last year I planted an apple tree, and I needed it to not encroach on an on-farm road, so I was careful to consider its maximum possible width. However, with our summer droughts, I don't find things like apple trees achieve their "maximum potential" in general, so do take that into the calculation.
Just as an aside, I'm finding (just to the south of you) that standards and big semi dwarves reach full potential after establishment. Dwarf trees, not so much. Not sure what rootstock you have or what other conditions you have, just thought I'd share. Some things are very hard to get established these days, with how hot and dry it's been the last few years.
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