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We keep compost worms for several years, feeding them mainly with kitchens scrapes...

Since a month we have a composting toilet, which only collects our feces, toilet paper and sawdust.

My question is: what are your thoughts about adding to the worms’s diet the contents of our toilet bucket?
Good idea, bad idea, how to do that, can we safely use later the worm castings and warm juice, etc... etc...

Thanks a million for enlightening me.

 
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As far as i know a worm bucket has no thermophilic stage, which you definetly want when processing human feces in order to get rid of parasitic eggs.
see this discussion : https://permies.com/t/132234/safest-humanure-methods-scared-rural
 
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Yeah the temps needed to properly kill off pathogens, which could be present in human waste, would also kill your worms. Or do you mean to add what you normally feed to your worms, to the compost toilet and skip the worms? Are you using a commercial compost toilet, or say a Humanure system of composting? If the latter, you can add your kitchen scraps to each bucket as you take it outside.
 
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R. Han wrote:As far as i know a worm bucket has no thermophilic stage, which you definetly want when processing human feces in order to get rid of parasitic eggs.


Thank you for the link, R. Han
 
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Mark Brunnr wrote:Yeah the temps needed to properly kill off pathogens, which could be present in human waste, would also kill your worms. Or do you mean to add what you normally feed to your worms, to the compost toilet and skip the worms? Are you using a commercial compost toilet, or say a Humanure system of composting? If the latter, you can add your kitchen scraps to each bucket as you take it outside.


I actually uses a simple, home-made Humanure system, Mark.
My question is - can I dispose of the feces, toilet paper and sawdust into the wormery... and let them work their magic.?
 
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I personally wouldn’t know if the eventual compost and worm castings would be safe to handle without the thermophilic composting and I’d avoid that combo. Id stick to the humanize setup and keep the worms separate.
 
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I don't understand why human waste is so bad. If you aren't on medications and you eat healthy unprocessed foods, why is it different than other animals?
 
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[quote=Tom Berens]I don't understand why human waste is so bad. If you aren't on medications and you eat healthy unprocessed foods, why is it different than other animals?[/quote]

This is my point exactly, Tom...
Only my wife and I are using the Humanure composting toilet, we don’t take any medications (ever), we eat only plant-based whole food...
 
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Jenkins explains it in detail in the Humanure book and website, even healthy human poop has bacteria like E. coli that can take weeks or months to die off when not hot composted which can cause serious illness if improperly handled.

I highly recommend reading through those chapters (free on his website) and sticking to the standard hot composting.
 
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 And who is to say he is right !!! Doctors are now just telling us that digestive tract runs the body and they have been studying the human body for how long. We are the only mammals that eat what we want instead of what we need, how did we get this way?
 
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[quote=Tom Berens] I don't understand why human waste is so bad. If you aren't on medications and you eat healthy unprocessed foods, why is it different than other animals?[/quote]

It is different in the way that there are specific pathogens for every species, so the risk of transmitting diseases within the same species is higher.
This doesn't mean that other species' feces are safe to handle, just less likely to contain a pathogen for humans.

Please read the following chapter, and feel free to discuss any unclarities afterwards:
http://humanurehandbook.com/downloads/H4/Ch_13_Worms%20and%20Disease.pdf



Also regarding the medications, real composting removes most of those , too.
 
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Thanks for the link R. Han.
 
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[quote=R. Han]Please read the following chapter, and feel free to discuss any unclarities afterwards:
http://humanurehandbook.com/downloads/H4/Ch_13_Worms%20and%20Disease.pdf[/quote]
Thanks a million, R. Han.
Much appreciated.
 
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This is what Jeoff Lawton has to say about it...



What do you all think?
 
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