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Sepp Holzer's perennial grain

 
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http://oikostreecrops.com/products//seeds-ecos?oc_page=page

Okios tree crops has a large selection of wild perennial seeds
 
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I feel very honoured. I received 42 of those elusive seeds ... Because of BB20. I have no experience at all with grains. I found this thread because I searched for the needed information.
The information is not really unambiguous ... But because I have the seeds now, in September, and some say it can be sown in September, I think it's best to sow it now. Maybe sow 30 seeds and keep 12 'as a reserve'.
I think I'll sow it at the spot where I did grow flax before, there's still nothing but sedums (my 'living mulch') growing there. In general the soil in my garden is not rich (it's sand plus compost and mulch I added the last 5 years). I understand Sepp Holzer grain is doing well in poor soil.
I read about cutting, scything or mowing it, so I'll cut it (with scissors) a few times next year. And then hopefully in 2022 it will give new grains. To share with others who can grow more, etc.

 
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My Sepp Holzer grains are growing!


 
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In case anyone is wondering, there are packets of sepp holzer grain available as a prize for people who reach twenty Badge Bits (BB20) in the SkIP program.

More details: https://permies.com/skip
 
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To practice branding a sign I first made a small sign for my Sepp Holzer Grains

('graan is Dutch for 'grain')
 
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How is the Sepp Holzer rye cultivation going? I traded a scythe blade for a 100g of Sepp. Holzer rye from Perma-Dise about 2008, I've been growing it out ever since. I've turned it over to two farmers with machines, and now we have 20 acres planted here in Minnesota.
 
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Does anyone in the USA have some of Sepp Holzer's wheat seed?
 
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Botan Anderson wrote:How is the Sepp Holzer rye cultivation going? I traded a scythe blade for a 100g of Sepp. Holzer rye from Perma-Dise about 2008, I've been growing it out ever since. I've turned it over to two farmers with machines, and now we have 20 acres planted here in Minnesota.


My first Sepp Holzer grain is doing well ( I received a few seeds as I wrote before). This is how it looks now (December 28, 2020)


 
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What a wonderful and spontaneously natural-looking little plot. My plants are about the same size.
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Secale cereale var. multicaule
Secale cereale var. multicaule
 
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Botan Anderson wrote:Does anyone in the USA have some of Sepp Holzer's wheat seed?



Hello Botan, welcome to Permies.

I understand there are still packets of sepp holzer grain available as a prize for people who reach twenty Badge Bits (BB20) in the SkIP program.

This is the only way I am aware of for people to obtain them currently in the states.

More details: https://permies.com/skip
 
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Ash Jackson wrote:

Botan Anderson wrote:Does anyone in the USA have some of Sepp Holzer's wheat seed?



Hello Botan, welcome to Permies.

I understand there are still packets of sepp holzer grain available as a prize for people who reach twenty Badge Bits (BB20) in the SkIP program.

This is the only way I am aware of for people to obtain them currently in the states.

More details: https://permies.com/skip


Maybe you don't talk about the same species? If I understood well the Sepp Holzer grain for BB20 is a rye, not a wheat ...
I saw a short video of someone visiting Krameterhof in which Sepp's son showed a small field of grain and told a little about it in German (with subtitling). About halfway in this video:  
 
 
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I'm trying to complete the PEP badge bit for building a  6 ft, 12 ft, and 24 ft Hügelkultur.  To meet the requirements I need 152 Sepp Holzer grains, but I only have 42.  

Is anyone willing to sell me 110 Sepp Holzer grains?
 
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For others interested, I found Botan's website where you can order 100g packets of 6000 seeds.
 
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Because today (April 10th) probably is the 100th day of the year, I had to be in the garden to sow my flax seeds. So I had a look at the Sepp Holzer grain plants too. They looked very well!. I decided to cut them a little shorter with some scissors (that's what I'm told here to do, cut them a few times in their first year). Photos before and after the cutting.


 
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I have found a supply of Sepp's rye in Canada. It's only 5g packages but I purchased a couple and will see how they do. I'll be planting them on my soon to be built hugel mound.

https://prairiegardenseeds.ca/products/sepp-holzer-s-rye?_pos=1&_sid=affd82ab9&_ss=r
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It's only Secale cereale var multicaule..

Sold throughout europe in bags of 25kgs. 1€47 /kg or 2€48/kg for organic. Probably going to sow a few hectares this year.
 
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Even though I cut the stalks twice, earlier this year, the plants really want to produce oars with seeds. I decided to let them do their thing ...

Sepp Holzer grain, June 4th 2021
 
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So I have just read through all 5 pages, please correct me if i got anything wrong:

1) Sepp Holzers "perennial" rye is actually biannual, but behaves perennial if you keep cutting it down thus preventing it to set seed
2) It is a variation of Secale cereale sometimes reffered to as "Secale cereale var. multicaule",  while the designation "Secale multicaule" is incorrect
3) Seep's strain has been bread for 50-60 years descending from said "Secale cereale var. multicaule" which he got in russia, and he further selected it
by propagating the best plants on the worst soils, resulting in a plant that can grow 8 feet tall
4) the non-sepp breed "Secale cereale var. multicaule" can be bought all over europe, but seems to not be as vigorous as Sepps's strain
5) People here in this thread report to grow in totally different climates than the Kramterhof (e.g. California), and it seems counter intuitive to me,
that Seeps particular strain is ideal for this. Maybe people doing this should also get some "regular" "Secale cereale var. multicaule" to add more
genetic diversity and select for their particular climate.

Furthermore "Secale cereale var. multicaule" is sometimes called "Urkorn" or "Urroggen" in german speaking countries,
other names are "Johannisroggen, Sibirisches Urgetreide, Sibirischer Roggen, Sibirisches Urkorn , Waldstaudenkorn".

According to wikipedia it is to be sown on 26th of Juni, my seed supplier says mid to end of june ( https://www.dreschflegel-shop.de/getreide-koernerfruechte/roggen/1026/johannisroggen )

Has anyone compared Seep's strain to regular "Secale cereale var. multicaule"?
Because the later one seems to also grow close to 8 feet tall:


 
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R. Han wrote:...
5) People here in this thread report to grow in totally different climates than the Kramterhof (e.g. California), and it seems counter intuitive to me,
that Seeps particular strain is ideal for this. Maybe people doing this should also get some "regular" "Secale cereale var. multicaule" to add more
genetic diversity and select for their particular climate.
...


Thank you for this resume. I think you are right.
I got the seeds as a gift, that's the reason why I grow them. Now they are going to have seeds, I will try to do what Sepp did: select the seeds of the plants that did best here, to grow my own particular strain (over years of time). But I don't know if that works with only a tiny piece of garden for them to grow in.
 
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I found this fungus, Claviceps purpurea (ergot fungus) in some of the oars of my Sepp Holzer grain.


I harvested all of the grain (most oars were ripe). I want to keep the seeds of the best ones (thickest oars on longest stalks) to sow next year.
The other seeds I think I'm going to eat. But I want to ask first: is it possible that seeds in other oars have no visible fungus bodies, but still are contaminated? If I eat them can I be poisoned (St. Anthony's Fire, hallucinations, or even worse ...)? Anybody here who knows?

 
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I'm not sure where to enter this, but since it is about a new perennial grain, this forum seems to be the best fit. Apologies if I goofed.
The name of it is KERNZA and it is billed as a cousin of wheat, but perennial, that you can make bread from, and it seems environmentally friendly since you plant it once and it will last a few years. They are just starting production in MN, so you know it is hardy.
Here is the link:
https://alseed.com/kernza-perennial-grain-now-available/
 
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