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So far my results are positive on woody trees and shrubs, when created as previously described.

I am trying to protect some early season flowers using bone sauce around the plants. I got some broken branches and stuck them in the ground and covered with bone sauce. They stick are placed all around the new growth flowers. Still to early to provide my results.

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Has anyone tried to use the bone sauce to form a protective barrier around annuals/non-woody plants? Results?

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Is anyone here open to the idea of selling me some bone sauce? I would want something of verified quality.
 
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Bone sauce stick perimeter protecting young plants from deer

Test bed
Bone sauce applied on sticks around the young perennial flowers to prevent the deer from eating them.



Control bed
Bone sauce not used around the young flowers, deer eating them to the ground.



 
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So turns out this wasn't sepp holzer's invention. It was Frankenstein, or at least the man she based the book off of. He used to dig up human bones to make bone sauce. I found that fascinating!
 
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Interesting, about Dr. Frankenstien. I wonder what else the good Dr. might have created...

Here is a link to an article in the Buffalo News about how deer populations are growing and eating all the NY state parks young plants and farmers young vegetables:

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I'm calling it a failure myself. Lots of eaten trees that had been treated with bone sauce. Bone sauce looked and smelled correct so I'm assuming we made it correctly. Simply didn't work.
 
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Elle,

I'm curious as why your bone sauce isn't working. Can you tell me what bones you used? How long did you burn the fire? cast iron container or maybe some other metal?
 
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Brett Andrzejewski wrote:Elle,

I'm curious as why your bone sauce isn't working. Can you tell me what bones you used? How long did you burn the fire? Cast iron container or maybe some other metal?


I can't really tell you the details of how it was made. My husband made it after researching it forever. We used a metal roasting pan to make it. The bones were cow, I believe. However, according to what I'd read it looked and smelled correct. I applied it correctly from what Zach had said.

I know it isn't working because the trees I applied it to have still been eaten off by rabbits. The mulberry pic attached shows some of the damage, though the nut trees are just bitten clean off. Clearly rabbit work.

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Sorry for my late reply, I've been getting ready for winter in the Buffalo, NY area.

Interesting. I haven't been able to confirm the bone sauce preventing rabbit damage. If Buffalo has another hard winter I will be able to. Last winter the rabbits girdled so many trees in my area to stave starvation. I can say for certain that it stopped the deer.

I gave some of my bone sauce to a friend in the area who runs a landscaping company. I'll ask him about rabbit prevention this winter too.
 
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The original presentation was of an overgrazed area, where tree damage had occurred when goats (?) were used to clear the ground for planting. I suspect that this concoction is designed to prevent vegetarian animals (goats, rabbit, deer, elk, moose etc) from nibbling bark in the same way bone or blood meal is used to discourage squirrels from eating bulbs. When animals run out of ground cover to graze/consume, obviously they would move on to bark - nibbling on bark exposes the cambrian (sp?) layer and kills the tree - something common in areas of deep snow, or when goats etc. are released to clear a field or area of ground vegetation (weeds) and are not closely monitored. I also suspect that this could be an attractant to predatory /carnivorous animals, in the short term, but not the long term.
 
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I'm curious about it attracting coyotes. The neighbors have a Great Pyrennes that has "adopted" this area. He patrols, keeps everyone (including our goats,geese, and chickens safe; plus the other neighbor's orchard and hayfield) safe. I would like to plant more trees, but not at the expense of everything else that's already here.
 
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I think it has everything to do with the smell of burnt marrow, boiling bone to obtain marrow grease will not convey the same primal message :animals were burnt here.  Burnt things retain a smell for a long long time.
 
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First time for me reading up on this stuff and I'm interested to hear how the longer-term users are faring.  Can you still see the bone sauce on the branches?  Are the deer still leaving new green growth alone?

Can you smell the bone sauce if you're nearby the tree?  Is this not something to put in my front yard, for fear my children will die of the stench?
 
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Hey Paul, I just stumbled onto this old post and am super curious if you have tried this bone gue of animal terror yet.

I'm new to permies,  and I don't know if there's a way to tag you or something. But if you see this, sweet!

Thanks

- Jordan
 
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Actually, i couldn't see all these newer posts when i wrote that. Never mind, sounds cool! Stoked to give it a try.
 
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Jennifer Smith wrote:I guess as usual I see something else here. 

I am seeing dry picked, clean, sun bleached, old bones.  Nothing tasty there.  I am seeing this gunk being absorbed into the trees and becoming part of them forever.  More a calcium paste than a tasty paste, 

I would not partisipate in this forum if I did not think Paul is worth listening to, and if he believes, I for one will try it.


I just read this in his book today. Page 166. The bone were all saved from the years slaughtering and SMOKED. The were stored in a screened chest so they had ventilation and dried out. Then bone salve burning man came by in the fall. The bones were crushed to fit in the pot. The fire built around the top pot had to be not too hot and not too cold. The right temperature caused the fat from the bones to drip into the water. If a spark reached the steaming oil there could be an explosion. When done you had a sticky brown mass in the bottom and light gray flecks of bone in the top pot. This bone salve was used as medicine on animals and to keep flies off the animals at harvest. The bone salve to use on trees had other ingredients added. Page 114. Add linseed oil, soaked lime, fine quartz sand and fresh cow dung to make a spreadable consistency which we would paint on with a brush or a broom. If you add more linseed oil you can sprinkle it on "like holy water". He says you can make a a similar brew from mineral naptha or beechwood tar but it isn't as good so you should burn pig bristles or cattle hair to add to it. The linseed oil is made from flax seed and holds the other ingredients together and makes it stick to the tree. The quartz sand is unpleasant to eat. In the book he said it lasted for years but did not say decades.
 
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Slaked lime not soaked. Auto-incorrect
 
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