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Why are you doing SKIP/PEP/PEA?

 
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Hello Permies! I've seen a few different threads about getting people to engage more with SKIP, but what I haven't quite found is one where people say why they specifically want to do it. If someone's already posted something like that, let me know. I'm curious about what draws people to the program.

For me, the learning aspect is higher priority than the inheriting property from Otis part. I've got very little experience doing most of what PEP covers. When I attended the SKIP event at WL, I spent just as much time learning how to use the various tools and techniques available as I did actually obtaining BBs. In this sense, the BB itself isn't the goal as much as the knowledge that comes with getting it.

PEP offers a clear set of tasks for me to work on in order to learn the skills I need to manage a homestead in a permaculture fashion. There's lots of courses available for learning permaculture design and principles, but when it comes to actually developing the skills one needs to accomplish permaculture projects there isn't much available. Most people who learn a trade such as construction or earthworks receive training on the job, rather than attending a school. Having instructors at WL guide me was immensely helpful, since I don't know all the things that I don't know. It also made me feel safer, since a lot of this stuff can be dangerous when done by inexperienced folk - it's still dangerous if you're experienced, but you'll at least know what to avoid.

The idea of inheriting property from Otis is appealing, but it seems like it would come with a bunch of caveats. Every landowner has a different vision, and if they're going to just give you their land then they'll have certain expectations. That being said, simply having access to this network by obtaining PEP certification has value of its own. If, someday, I saved up enough money to purchase property, I could potentially try going through the Otis network to see if someone wanted to do a traditional land transfer (i.e. for cash).

There's also the idea that a PEP certification could someday be widely known and respected. It's so early stage right now that nothing is certain, but if the program succeeds then being PEP1/2/3/4 would be an easy way to demonstrate skills in permaculture. It's certainly more impressive than attending a two week PDC.

So those are my reasons for doing PEP. What are yours?
 
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For me, parts of PEP and parts of PEA, happened to align with a lot of stuff I'm already doing. It tends to be focused on more traditional practices using hand tools and a focus on the long term as opposed to short term profit.

I try to live a slow life with my eyes set on the horizon (in my opinion that is the future of humanity). I think PEX can develop into a universal skill set for humans to interact with the resource economy of our world in a mutually respectful, sustainable manner.

Like you said, I also enjoy the skill-learning aspect.

I have been training myself in hand tool woodworking thanks to wonderful youtube instructors like Paul Sellars and many others, and primitive/wilderness survival skills to a lesser degree. Once I finally set up my garden I have also sunk a lot of time, energy, some blood, and tons of sweat into learning that as well.

These things are the aspects of PEP that I interact with. Notice my BBs. I don't have anything in Earthworks, Solar, Plumbing, etc. It's not what I do and it doesn't really align as much with my views on the way forward. But we all have differences and I think it is spectacular that Paul put his view into a format that people can jump in and start doing, and get recognition for it.

So I don't ever expect to complete PEP1 or such myself. But I'm happy to show well documented examples of the badge bits for skills I'm learning and doing already anyway. I hope they might give someone else an idea for how they might proceed.
 
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You probably should be asking the other half of that question too.  Why not?

I totally get the point of learning new skills and be able to prove it in some form just like holding a degree.  That said I am 56 and grew up in a rural poor farm and ranch family with a father who believed in being able to do any job.  You never called someone to come fix something or build something for the most part.  You learned how and did it.  My reason why not is simply that it will take more time to document it than do it in many cases now.  By now I am using known skills.  While I am always learning most of the base stuff is old hat.  And much of the PEP stuff requirements is stuff I don't need currently so it would be busy work.  So I haven't bothered.  If I happen to do something that applies and happen to take pictures for other reasons so I don't waste much time documenting I will.  But for now that is all.
 
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I married into some property, so I'm not looking for an Otis. But as we discuss the future of the property and skills that I want my daughter to learn, I've realized how lacking my own knowledge and skills are. PEP is a great starting point for me to learn those skills. I like the encouragement on this site, the visual representation of my progress through badges, and how it's all laid out so I don't have to research which skills I actually could/should learn.
 
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This programme is actually why I joined Permies. I really liked the idea of a structured programme to build skills in a variety of essential areas. I had gotten into a bit of a rut; people in my social circles were really impressed by what I was doing, but I was in a bit of a personal lull--it was just maintenance stuff at that point, no direction for improvement/growth. This programme seemed to be a good tool to combat that ennui and improve myself. A scouts programme for adults! The Otis/finding land element is definitely secondary for me--I'm keen to see how it works for others who complete PEP1/2, though.

I've since fizzled out a bit as many of the sand badges are not compatible with my country/climate/flora/fauna. I hope that, with some relatively minor modifications, the prgramme can be made into a more universal skills course for people to reconnect with doing things yourself. The more people that have skills in growing and preserving food, building and fixing things, the better off and more resilient local communities will be. And yes, I am willing to help move things in this direction if folks decide it's a good idea!
 
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I have a few reasons for pursuing PEP

1) The Community: I feel like I'm part of a greater community that shares similar interests and values. I feel like I'm working towards something better with a group of awesome people. I learn so much from the work others are sharing. I get a lot of inspiration from watching others perusing their goals.

2) Fun!: I find the task engaging, bring purpose into my day, and spark creativity and new ideas. I love learning new things. It also feels like a game with earning BBs and Badges! I love games and to be honest I'm super competitive

3) Skill building: It's a great way to find out what you don't know!

4) Finding Land: I really do find myself in the position that I can't afford land (or at least the amount of land I'm seeking) without being 'house poor'. In addition, anything more than 10 acres, in this area, is simply out of reach for myself and my family. This is not a 'woe is me statement'. I have a very good life and I have many opportunities, but in the pursuit of my permaculture goals I simply require more land in the future. I think there are several 'Otis' in my area, and I want to prove myself as worthy.
 
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I like that it promises a structure to learning skills. It also might be a good starting point for teaching skills to my kids.

However, Some of the sand badges are oddly specific. Gardening for example, I don't have the room for a hugel. I could do the other two, but only for a badge, as they don't fit into my usual methods for my no dig, slug heavy garden. I find this kind of ironic since I have gardened for years and you'd think that would be the easiest badge for me to get. There's been talk about revising this for a year so when that happens I'll be able to earn a garden sand badge. I've been working on some PEA garden BBs even though I have a fair garden space of my own.

Although I'd love more land, I don't think my husband would be willing to move so I'm stuck with my urban garden for the foreseeable future. So that's not why I am interested in badges.
 
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I haven't actually started getting any badges yet, though there are many of the lowest level I just need to document and I'd have because I do those things frequently or even daily. (Handwash dishes? really, you're going to give me a badge for that?)
But I'm interested in the PEP badges to get help to motivate my son to do these things.
What I'd really love is an app for earning badges.  I don't have the skills to write such an app, but maybe a programmer will read this and see how they can use their tech skills to help build a better world? It's worth a shot.
My son has an app called Seek by iNaturalist that gives him badges for taking photos of plant and animal species. He gets really into it in spurts and wants to go out on nature walks looking for things.  He started using this app when he was about 7-8 years old. So there's world's of potential for getting kids interested in learning PEP skills this way.
 
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C Lundquist wrote: However, Some of the sand badges are oddly specific. Gardening for example, I don't have the room for a hugel. I could do the other two, but only for a badge, as they don't fit into my usual methods for my no dig, slug heavy garden. I find this kind of ironic since I have gardened for years and you'd think that would be the easiest badge for me to get. There's been talk about revising this for a year so when that happens I'll be able to earn a garden sand badge. I've been working on some PEA garden BBs even though I have a fair garden space of my own.



I have also found that they seem to be limited in climate range. I try to remember that PEP is Permaculture Education according to Paul. And Paul doesn't live in the tropics or in deserts. That's an area I'd like to see expanded.
 
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I've been meaning to complete PEP for years but I was busy working to try and buy land. Now I've lost my job because I refused to be vaccinated against covid19. So I guess I'll never be able to afford land now, especially because the cost is insane in Australia. I was going to wait for my physical skip books to arrive. I have ADD which means I go off on crazy tangents and have multiple tasks half done all the time. So following the book will help me keep on track. The most annoying part is that I have done so much already but I never recorded it. I guess I'll have to start today.
 
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C. Letellier wrote:You probably should be asking the other half of that question too.  Why not?

I totally get the point of learning new skills and be able to prove it in some form just like holding a degree.  That said I am 56 and grew up in a rural poor farm and ranch family with a father who believed in being able to do any job.  You never called someone to come fix something or build something for the most part.  You learned how and did it.  My reason why not is simply that it will take more time to document it than do it in many cases now.  By now I am using known skills.  While I am always learning most of the base stuff is old hat.  And much of the PEP stuff requirements is stuff I don't need currently so it would be busy work.  So I haven't bothered.  If I happen to do something that applies and happen to take pictures for other reasons so I don't waste much time documenting I will.  But for now that is all.



I wrote something very similar on a post at some point.  I have land, so, while I think the Otis thing is awesome, it doesn't apply to me.  A lot of the things for PEP fall into two categories for me.  The first are things I don't need or want, so doing them just to get a badge takes me away from the million things I do need and want.  The other are things I do all the time, but I don't really feel like I can add any value to the forum by documenting them.  Someone mentioned doing dishes by hand.  That's the only way we do them, and frankly, I would feel silly documenting it.  Another example is gathering eggs.  I'm not sure there is anyone that, if I pointed to the coop and handed them a container, couldn't go out and pick up the eggs.  So I don't feel I'm adding value by documenting those.  Those are my "why not?' examples.

That takes me to the badge bits I do, and so, document.  If they are things that I think someone might not be clear on, or that it would help to have a visual, and I'm going to do the task anyway, I love to take some pictures and add some detail I think might help someone.  I document the things I do wrong as well, because those are the ones I think people learn the most from sometimes.  I also document things I am doing for the first time, or just things that I find interesting.  I see lots of questions pop up about biochar for instance, so I have documented a couple ways I do it.  I love it when people post pictures of things they are doing that are out of the ordinary.  One of my projects for this year is to make a Johnson Su Bioreactor.  I'll be taking a lot of pictures and documenting that one, just because it's interesting to me, and hopefully, someone will see it, think "wow, that doesn't look hard" and build one themselves.  I learn much more easily from pictures than written instructions, so there may be others like me that would appreciate it.  If those things have a BB associated, all the better.  I think  it 's fun having the little icons by my name.
 
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I'm interested in boosting my "Permies resume." My intention at this point is to join an already-established community sometime down the road. To let them know I'm not a complete imbecile, and that I really am interested in the lifestyle, I think the BBs I collect can provide some documented proof that I will be an asset to their community.

Will I eventually come to the point of inheriting a piece of property? Will I end up acquiring land of my own in the future? That's difficult to say. At this point on my journey joining another person, small group, or growing community that needs an extra set of hands that's eager to do the work is what I anticipate. I think the BBs will help in making clear my commitment and intentions.
 
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I don’t have any ambitions toward inheriting property; I’m old enough and have disabilities that really would prevent me from doing the full PEP for the purpose of SKIP. But…
  • I like learning new things, and BBs break it into small, tackleable chunks
  • Shiny badges are fun
  • Badges help me remember that oh yeah, i do know how to do some things (good imposter syndrome buster!)
  • Reading others' posts in BB threads gives me examples of how to do a thing, so I can learn it
  • My posts in BB threads can help someone else learn to do the thing, or see examples of doing the thing


  • Some badges don’t hold interest for me. Some BBs don’t fit my space, interest, or abilities. But there is lots to choose from here, and I may yet surprise myself.
     
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    Stephen B. Thomas wrote:My intention at this point is to join an already-established community sometime down the road. To let them know I'm not a complete imbecile, and that I really am interested in the lifestyle, I think the BBs I collect can provide some documented proof that I will be an asset to their community.



    Great point. With enough development it could act as a portfolio for joining a community, as you're saying.
    •••••••

    I'm willingly falling down a permaculture rabbit hole.  Maybe it's a survival instinct, but working through Paul's PEP seems to me one of many viable paths toward living longer than the bad guys want us to.  The structure provides increasingly time-and-effort-demanding goals, much like a trainer does for the evolving gym-goer. It's also just fun. Sure beats mindlessly scrolling through social media, anyway.

    Thus far I've gleaned immense value from listening to the podcasts, and doing BBs keeps the body engaged in concert.  I'll be visiting WL for the SKIP event in July to take a dip in the community and participate in some projects.  I feel strongly it's worth my time to observe WL first-hand and hopefully increase my value to others as a result.

    Would be happy to get any recommendations for must-see locations / experiences in Idaho. Coming from California and open to pick up carpoolers July 8th/9th/10th.
     
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    For me at first it was for peer recognition for many choice in my life that i did until now. And i love the pratical and physical side of those permaculture project that i don't experience through all the books i can borrow at locals librairies and friends. Going toward BB100 or pep1 and pep2 will also present the challenge to work more with neighbors, friends and other intentional communities in my region. And since permaculture school is developing in my town, all these experiences, and maybee visiting wheaton labs, will augment grantly my road to a better future ! thanks for all this !
     
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    I've narrowed down my dreams and they amount to two simple things: raise chickens for eggs, keep bees for honey.

    It's remarkable that participating in intricate, delicate, massive, almost unimaginable infrastructures within any number of companies, technological or not, is magnitudes easier than being able to raise simple chickens.

    I think if I can do those two things I have to be in the position I dream, namely a space of sufficient size and the confidence to execute tasks. Seems like SKIP is one of the only ways to do so for those of us pitiful fools.

    Am I right in saying SKIP the only game in town for people seeking simplicity from a delicate and easily collapsible world, without having reaped tons of money from, well, wherever? I suppose at its worst it would make me feel less alone to be doing something communally, albeit via the internet. I would have to drive for so many of them and I hate driving, so I haven't tackled anything specific yet.

    Alex Pine wrote:Now I've lost my job because I refused to be vaccinated against covid19.



    This is absolutely ludicrous. Unimaginable honestly.
     
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    I am in principle a potential OTIS, but in practice will almost assuredly NOT be one.   Not because I don't deeply appreciate the SKIP/OTIS and even PEP/BB ideations here, I do.

    Even if virtually nobody actually achieves a PEP4 (or 3 or 2), the formalization that has gone into concisely describing what these skills *might* look like when deliberately approached and fashioned after one individual's perspective (Paul Wheaton) is, is significantly valuable (if not the only or even best way or approach all this, still great).

    Even if no SKIPper ever finds an OTIS or any OTIS ever actually follows through and bequeaths their "project" to a SKIPper, the elaboration of the idea and the possibilities is worthwhile.

    I am a potential OTIS *because* I care about the tiny bit of land I live on, and on it's role in the area it sits.   I am also an OTIS because both of my children (daughters in their 40s) have established their own lives in contexts that do not suggest they would ever want or need to take over *responsibility* for this property unless it was as perhaps an "early retirement" strategy, but they would probably not be prepared to accept the "responsibility" implied, unless (again maybe) they moved onto my property to become my caretaker if I needed such.   I'm not planning for that and currently that would be a major disruption to their life/career arcs.

    I am NOT as likely an OTIS because the land I am on was acquired from a Native American Pueblo (San Ildefonso) tribe in the 60s via a series of mostly unintentional, random happenings and developed by non-tribal members into a rural commuter-neighborhood of 4 middle/professional class homes.   This means that finding a way to return the property to the tribe (or individual members of, or a broader affiliation with) is highest on my list.

    I am also NOT as likely an OTIS because if I want to continue a relatively comfortable lifestyle (not professional-class where I come from, but not poverty either) into a ripe old age, I may need to recover some of the value of the property (including significant improvements) made.   While my home is not my only asset, it is on the order of 1/2 of it and I may need to realize some of that value to continue my journey to the end.    I suspect I am one of many who *would* like to give a SKIPper some *consideration* in acquiring their property but probably NOT a full inheritance of it.   Discussions of the need to pay *tax* on such an inheritance raises the question of why *must* a SKIPper look to inherit something "free and clear"?  

    On that topic, I have a friend who re-developed a piece of an old farm into a near-organic modern truck-farm over about 10 years of hard labor in her 50s.  She was already a well practiced/trained organic farmer who had most recently done the same (for nearly 10 years) on someone else's farm (older retired farm couple) but who did/would not pass/sell it to her.    She knew the deal going in, so wasn't resentful and she took the experience as her "training/dues" so that when she did buy her own plot (with a friend) she was fully ready to take the project on.  She did it on a series of shoestrings and the kindness of others, including selling CSAs to raise capital in the spring most years and working part-time jobs during the off-season.    Some of her CSA patrons were *patrons* in the sense that they bought larger shares than they could use and passed the extra on.   I did the same myself, though she regularly insisted on gifting me partial CSAs and extras (because of other generosities I proffered)

    When she was finally ready to "let go" she went through a lengthy series of interviews with young aspiring Organic Farmers to hand her place over to... not as an inheritance, but as an aggressively subsidized sharecrop/rental.    They had the first year while she remained on the property (In a small casita she built near the one-room strawbale farmhouse she had built early on) and provided advice, direction, and some labor.  Most of her labor at that point went into maintaining/developing the property more rather than into the fields that were producing for market.  

    The young couple she took on were already experienced (multiple seasons) organic farmers from the upper midwest and they had to learn the local challenges of low humidity and high altitude and unique geopolitical markets.     They are now on their 4th year and my friend has removed herself entirely to New England, visiting only once a year to check on things, give a hand, etc.  

    I don't know if this couple will eventually buy her out of the property, but if they do I am sure it will be on good terms of the same nature as their current rental/share-crop.   The *farm* is paying for itself, including paying off the "mortgage" implied by their "rent" and someday literally paying down the mortgage in the form of a owner-finance.   This is her (only) retirement plan and she lives incredibly frugally (in her VW Van in her sister's and other friends driveways) to make it possible.  I am hoping that they (who are very focused/hardworking/motivated) actually outperform their own aspirations and are able to *voluntarily* up their support of her "retirement".    

    She set a high standard on every front when she developed the farm and in how she has "shared the bounty" with them and they seem to be stepping up to it.  They are producing/selling a lot more mainly because A) they represent more labor, and they are trying to *build* an income, not just meet living expenses/upgrades as she did....    Win/Win/Win...

    I support *both* wherever I can (I donated my antique-but-working Kubota tractor and a similar vintage-but-working chainsaw to he farm, and have upgraded *her* digital gear with my own hand-me-downs, and buy produce from them whenever I can make it to market, even if I end up gifting some of it to friends/neighbors).

    To re-iterate, I think the OTIS-SKIP-PEP stuff here is too much one-size-fits-all to fit *anyone* and yet the aspirations and the collateral materials produced (including SKIP/PEP aspirants anecdotes) is invaluable...  

    Keep up the good work!
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    WHY:  I've just started poking around with it and I'm doing it for FUN.   It's right up my alley for structured, organized, collecting type experiences that appeals to me.  The comradery of doing it along with others and sharing experiences is also appealing to me as a social activity.   The challenge level seems just right and now that I'm sort of getting a handle on how it works (although I still have more questions than understanding)..  which leads me to


    WHY NOT:  Or why did it take so long.   It was a bit tedious and frustrating to sort through the information on how to do it, and I'm still not up to speed.  It wasn't clear how/who tracks it,  where to post the info,  how to get started,  where to start,  it didn't seem like a clear LINEAR insruction format, which is my preference.  having things streamlined.   That probably works a method of screening OUT less-serious-unmotivated folks if that's the GOAL.   Getting only serious folks that want to put in the work to be considered for property.    Less so for folks that want to participate for fun, self-improvement, and comradery.  It might not make it onto the priority list for busy folks that have other pulls on their attention.
     
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    Oh boy, now that I'm delving into it,  I feel like my daily life is one big sequence of BB opportunities, hahha.   How many is TOO many to submit at once?  Is there a daily limit?   This is more fun that I expected.   I feel like a scout again.   I guess it will slow down when I branch out into things that are totally novel to me..   Even so, it's been a good learning motivation too.   I never MEASURED my dish rinse water before to know what I was using.  That sort of awareness is really helpful...   onward..  
     
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    Nope, there's no daily limit  
     
    Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way. Here's an antidote disguised as a tiny ad:
    Our perennial nursery has sprouted!
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