Variety | Seed Source | Year Purchased For | # Seeds - Method A | #Seeds - Method B | |
Purple Star | Veseys | 2020 | 4 | 3 | |
Hot Salsa Blend | Burpee | 2021 | 6 | 6 | |
Hot Mexican Blend | OSC | 2022 | 6 | 6 | |
Marconi Rosso | OSC | 2022 | 6 | 6 | |
Gypsy Hybrid | OSC | 2022 | 6 | 6 |
Variety | Seed Source | Year Purchased For | # Seeds - Method B | #Seeds - Method B -germinated | |
Purple Star | Veseys | 2020 | 3 | 1 | |
Hot Salsa Blend | Burpee | 2021 | 6 | 4 | |
Hot Mexican Blend | OSC | 2022 | 6 | 1 | |
Marconi Rosso | OSC | 2022 | 6 | 1 | |
Gypsy Hybrid | OSC | 2022 | 6 | 5 | |
Control (unclipped) | ? | ? | 4 | 2 |
Christopher Weeks wrote:I'll be watching your results with interest. However, I'll be very, very surprised if B doesn't beat A. Peppers love to be on a heat mat and if you did everything exactly the same (either protocol) but had one set on heat and one set off, the heated ones would win every time. So I worry that that differential will bury any useful test between the clipping/soaking method and not.
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Mark Sanford wrote:I will watch this thread to see what success you have. I just began trying seed starts indoors myself two seasons ago. Not real good results. The second year I invested in some heat matts and inexpensive lights. Sprouting was better. Had some mold problems, and some damping off. Still not super results.
This is where it got interesting for me.
I overplanted (2-3 seeds per pot). When I thinned the pots by pulling young seedlings, I planted a couple of the young tomatoes seedlings because I hate throwing plants away. I can’t remember if they were first leaf or first true leaf - probably true leaf or there-about. They all survived and waaay out performed tomatoes that remained indoors from the same seed that I transplanted much later.
Anyhow, I continued reading about starting seeds indoors and was considering upping my game by purchasing a dedicated shelving unit, betters light and supplies etc. Then I stumbled across a site somewhere that recommended direct seeding and saving all of the time, hassle, and expense of indoor starts (of course this can all be a lot of fun too). The author indicated his direct sown seeds always caught up to nursery Bought transplants or indoor starts.
I’m in! So I did not invest in new [anything] for indoor seeding and am going to try all direct seeding for 2022 just to see how it goes. I’m a fairly new suburban permie. One of the things I find attractive about permaculture is that the systems promise require less work over time. Perhaps this will be a whole set of planning and chores I won’t need to worry about - we shall see. Compost tea is another thing I was getting excited about trying, but hit the pause button on this as well.
Good luck. Hope to see you have great success.
Shea Loner wrote:What is the purpose of clipping the seed?
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Shea Loner wrote:What is the purpose of clipping the seed?
Mark Sanford wrote:
Anyhow, I continued reading about starting seeds indoors and was considering upping my game by purchasing a dedicated shelving unit, betters light and supplies etc. Then I stumbled across a site somewhere that recommended direct seeding and saving all of the time, hassle, and expense of indoor starts (of course this can all be a lot of fun too). The author indicated his direct sown seeds always caught up to nursery Bought transplants or indoor starts.
I’m in! So I did not invest in new [anything] for indoor seeding and am going to try all direct seeding for 2022 just to see how it goes. I’m a fairly new suburban permie. One of the things I find attractive about permaculture is that the systems promise require less work over time. Perhaps this will be a whole set of planning and chores I won’t need to worry about - we shall see. Compost tea is another thing I was getting excited about trying, but hit the pause button on this as well.
Ralph Sluder wrote:
Several years ago my grandson helped me plant my pepper seeds. He was small so they went everywhere.
After a couple of weeks I noticed average 50/50 germination but....
The seeds that landed in other planted seed trays all sprouted. ( on soil surface)
Now I just push the seeds of peppers down into the soil surface without covering and get really great germination rates.
Jay Angler wrote:Great experiment Catie!
FYI - As for the experiment of clipping the seed, I've never done that for peppers. However, there was a different tree seed I wanted to try germinating and it was recommended to cut the seed. My son does table top game miniatures and has a set of tiny files - skinnier by far than a fingernail file, and much finer - one of those worked like a charm. It was very easy to control how much of the seed coat I removed. I don't know if that would work better for your hands than what you were doing, but it might.
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It would also be different if I was trying to grow a lot of something, but I really only need 2 pepper plants if they produce well. I ended up with 3 Thai Dragon plants last year that were super happy and I've got plenty of dry peppers in a jar to keep me happy for some time.
It's never too late to start gardening, and even the smallest project is worthwhile.
Logan Byrd wrote:Catie, have you looked into or tried growing pepper plants indoors? I know they can be grown indoors, and you can even get a great number of peppers off a plant that is pruned to a very small size, as the concept of Bonchi trees demonstrates.
I am still trying to figure out how to grow plants indoors organically, but I have friends who have grown large pepper plants with nothing more than a sunny window, a large pot, and some toxic ick.
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Laurel Jones wrote:
Mark Sanford wrote:Then I stumbled across a site somewhere that recommended direct seeding and saving all of the time, hassle, and expense of indoor starts (of course this can all be a lot of fun too). The author indicated his direct sown seeds always caught up to nursery Bought transplants or indoor starts.
In years that it warms up predictably, I have had similar or better experiences with seeds direct sown around the same time as I'd start them indoors(mid march), however, planting a tomato seed in mid may (zone 6 here) as my last frost date has delayed initial harvest, although the plants do eventually catch up to started seeds. However starting tomatoes around mid march outdoors on a year where you get reliably warm weather until a last frost pops up and kills them is a real bummer.
The only other wrinkle involved in this is the need the baby freshly planted seeds, and at least for me, out of sight is out of mind, and I'm far less likely to remember to check the status of and ensure that seedlings have water if they're out in the garden versus in my pantry.
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I suspect there are a bunch of issues that might affect this - first, some seeds need light to germinate (like Lettuce), second how dense the soil is (lighter soil would work better than my heavy clay version), third the size of the seed - peas of a decent size have more embodied energy to put into growing their way out of the soil than something like the tatsoi seeds I've grown that aren't much bigger than dust. There's more we could add to this list - if the soil's really wet, more seeds may rot before germinating, if you got certain "garden helpers" they may eat the seeds or shoots before they turn into plants etc, etc.My father in law recently shared with me that for years he has planted peas earlier than recommended but he plants them deep - say 4-6 inches instead of one Inch. He tells me that this protects them from a late/surprise frost and gives the plant deeper roots. I wonder if a variation of this might work with tomato and pepper seeds?
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Jay Angler wrote:Related - important help required!
My friend bought Capsicum Flexuosum seeds. Apparently they can take a month to germinate. They're a perennial, deciduous, pepper. You *need* two to get fruit. "Can get 10' tall and live 30 years" according to the package.
First she planted 4, 2 germinated, only 1 survived.
Then she planted 3 more seeds and so far, no sign, but she doesn't think it's been a whole month. She's using some top heat (halogen bulb).
So, I now have the rest of the pkg. I'm thinking of putting them on my heat mat in the hopes that bottom heat will help. There are only 4 seeds left. The instructions actually said to start them in January, but I suspect that was to get fruit. If they're truly perennial, I don't mind if the plant just gets strong this year.
I will do some more research myself - but I thought I'd start by posting here and see what people know or think about this plant. I recall reading somewhere that pepper seeds in the wild tended to go through a bird's gut before germinating. That makes me think that filing with my really fine file a bit of the seed might help. The seeds are black and I would say a little thicker, tougher looking, that sweet pepper annuals that I've planted before.
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Catie George wrote:They look awesome! 100 peppers seems thoroughly reasonable to me.
I get very few peppers per plant, and absolutely love fermented hot pepper sauce and paprika. If I had more space, I'd probably grow a similar number.
June 1st for last frost here... Very impatiently waiting.
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