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What would you do? Large Trees Near the House

 
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Complex question and I don't know who to turn to advise.

I have about 13 oak/maple trees within falling distance of my house with trunk diameters ranging from 10" to 26" and I do not pay for insurance.

I'm pretty hesitant to cut them down because I'm attached to the trees as they give shade, character, and wildlife habitats.

On the other hand, if one falls and it hits my house, I'm guessing it'd screw my life up hard and be a big hassle for my family.

Plus, if I cut them down, I could:
-Use the logs for firewood on my stove
-Get more sunlight around the house which I need for growing
-Relatedly plant nut trees in their stead that produce nuts I want to eat (like chesnut)
-Attempt copice farming with the shoots of whichever trees survive the cut

My reason for posting here is, I really don't know what to do. Maybe, I am being paranoid about the trees falling. They all, except the biggest one, are looking very healthy. Only a few are slightly leaning toward the house.

I was wondering if there was anyway to secure the trees with ropes or chains near the crowns to prevent falling as well. I may build a tree house out of one set of trees near to me that form an almost perfect square with 8' sides.

Anyway, I ask because I find getting a straight answer out of arborists is difficult because they are biased towards cutting down trees.

Should I just chop them all down and feel totally secure and plant things in their stead, or should I try to respect mother nature and keep things as they are? Maybe, I should just cut the few that lean towards the house, but I worry that may not be enough.

We have 5 acres in a climax forest of oaks and maples in mid-Minnesota.

Thank you for your thoughts, experiences, and recommendations. I'll post some pictures too sometime since that will help.
 
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I have one huge beech tree that could fall on the house, it's a bit over 6ft in diameter as soon as it shows any sign of terminal illness it will have to go. Ones life is not worth keeping a tree no matter how nice.  Any tree that is leaning near property should (in my opinion) be removed. It's not just possible loss of property but also loss of life you have to think about.
 
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If I had some trees that I really wanted to keep I would cut them so that they are not tall enough to fall on my house.

It is my understanding that in some areas this is done every year.  I am not sure what the word for this is, maybe polling or coppicing.

To show you what I mean I looked on Pinterest to find some pictures of what I mean like this:


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From this the word is polling.


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Hi Jeff;
The way I see it is you have all healthy trees excepting the largest one.
That is the one I would take down as a precaution.  
As Skandi mentioned its loss of life, not damage that is the main concern.

The other 12 trees have been growing just fine for the last 50-100 years.
None of the bad storms in that time have toppled or broken any of them.
If fact it has made them grow thick and tall...
If your area is not known for toppling trees then I would let them grow.
Remember those trees are worth money as lumber.  Every inch larger in diameter they get worth more.
One log from your largest tree could cover the cost of having it brought down.

One thing to consider.
An Arborist will take down that tree in pieces... you will have firewood.
A logger will cut that tree down with lumber in mind...  you will get paid money(depending on size and condition) or at least have the work paid for.

 
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I have a number of very large trees near my house.  Probably 5 could fall on my house. (In terms of distance from my house) ... and they are pretty rotted on the inside. Still, they are producing leaves and shade.   I have trimmed the largest branches so that the center of gravity is away from the house increasing the likelihood of them falling away from the house in a storm.  As they die off, I have them taken down by pros.  I had an insurance inspector at my house last spring and he was satisfied with my approach.
 
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Unless they show any obvious signs of damage, disease or death, I wouldn't worry about the house.  Cutting them for other reasons is fine but not to protect the house.  

If you look out in the forest, how often do you see oaks or maples of that size fallen over?  I'm guessing it's nearly never.  I'd be much more concerned about spruce (they fall over if you look at them funny around here) and fully mature poplar.  Those tend to be the main fall hazards I see around here.
 
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Mike Haasl wrote:Unless they show any obvious signs of damage, disease or death, I wouldn't worry about the house.  Cutting them for other reasons is fine but not to protect the house.  

If you look out in the forest, how often do you see oaks or maples of that size fallen over?  I'm guessing it's nearly never.  I'd be much more concerned about spruce (they fall over if you look at them funny around here) and fully mature poplar.  Those tend to be the main fall hazards I see around here.




Hey! That's a really good point! It is just maple and oak. They rarely fall down of that size in the forest and when they do I think its mostly because they lack enough sunlight due to the density of other oaks and maples around them. These ones do not have that issue nearly as much because they are close to my house!! Plus, the density of my forest seems like it would be a good wind break anyway... .

Thanks for that, I feel a lot better now.
 
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thomas rubino wrote:Hi Jeff;
The way I see it is you have all healthy trees excepting the largest one.
That is the one I would take down as a precaution.  
As Skandi mentioned its loss of life, not damage that is the main concern.

The other 12 trees have been growing just fine for the last 50-100 years.
None of the bad storms in that time have toppled or broken any of them.
If fact it has made them grow thick and tall...
If your area is not known for toppling trees then I would let them grow.
Remember those trees are worth money as lumber.  Every inch larger in diameter they get worth more.
One log from your largest tree could cover the cost of having it brought down.

One thing to consider.



Yep! I think that is a good point to remember. most healthy trees don't fall over, but sometimes it is hard to tell which trees are healthy are which are not.

Unfortunately, I couldn't get a logger to do it for free. Said they would charge me for $1300 for the trees because it wouldn't be worth of their time and they were not technically insured for house damage, so if something went wrong I'd have no recourse. Anyway, I  appreciate your comments!
 
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Anne Miller wrote:If I had some trees that I really wanted to keep I would cut them so that they are not tall enough to fall on my house.

It is my understanding that in some areas this is done every year.  I am not sure what the word for this is, maybe polling or coppicing.

To show you what I mean I looked on Pinterest to find some pictures of what I mean like this:


souce



source

From this the word is polling.


source


source



This is a pretty interesting idea. Could it be performed on mature trees though without killing them?? I kind of doubt it but who knows, trees are resilient.
 
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Hi Jeff,

I saw this approach used once. The trees were dead in 5 years. Of course, this was far from a representative sample.
 
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John F Dean wrote:Hi Jeff,

I saw this approach used once. The trees were dead in 5 years. Of course, this was far from a representative sample.



I'd probably not do it any way for aesthetic reasons. I'm all for making woodworks with copice farming, like a living fence, but those trees look monstrous and not in a good way.
 
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I had some trees growing near my house.
The maples around my house don't come down all at once they lose limbs.
One was 65 feet tall and the last 15ft on each limb was dead.
It wouldn't hit the house but cars parked under it were in danger.
Especially when the tree filled with ice after an ice storm.
Took me about 6 months to cut that all down.

I had a big ash tree fall over roots and all, far from the house.

Another problem was roots in the sewer.  I removed both of those after I dug up the sewer tiles and replaced them with pipe.

I know there are lots of different oaks and soil types but the ones around here stand dead for years and won't fall.
 
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Willows and poplars do fine cut off at 4 to 6 feet high for pollarding. It's a common practice where I live. But I don't know if maples or oaks would do well with that. You're not inclined to do it anyway, so never mind.
 
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Maples do well coppiced or pollarded. I've never seen an oak survive it.
 
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