Help me identify this tree

I suspect this is persimmon

looks catawba/catalpa to me. not persimmon.

signed, one with lots of persimmons.

That picture is not of a persimmon leaf/tree.
I don't think it is a fruit/nut tree. It doesn't look like any of the 50 different species of fruiting/nut trees that I have.

Thanks.   These appeared near a place I had planted two persimmon trees a few years ago.  Both of the trees I planted died off died off.    There are no other trees with leaves like this on my property, so I began to wonder if the Persimmons had a second coming.

It looks a bit like Lilac tree/srub to me, but I could not be sure.  Below is a link to a photo of lilac leaves.  What do you think, could it be?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2653/3880819324_1724dc8e42_b.jpg

I vote with Greg that the leaves look like catalpa leaves:


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The veins are alternate,

The Lilac veins are not:


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More reading material for Catalpa:

https://permies.com/t/184277/kitchen/Medicinal-Trees-Catalpa-Celtis-Hackberry

https://permies.com/t/173352/kitchen/Herbs-Venomous-Stings-Bites

i’m not sure the pattern of veins is necessarily the best way to differentiate there, as at least in the picture that olga shared, the lilac venation is largely alternate as well. the leafing pattern, on the other hand, can be a better clue. catawba leaf buds generally come out in with three buds around a single node, which is uncommon (pictured). lilacs follow a pretty standard opposite-leafing pattern.  catawba twigs are also thicker and have distinctive leaf-scars (view in winter or on dead twigs): sunken in, resembling suction cups.

Catalpa leaves smell pretty bad when crushed.
The tree grows back from a stump with ease.
I actually transplant them to my yarden to uses as sources of  biomass.