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Chickens and snow

 
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I'm interested to know how folks manage chickens when there's a lot of snow. My chickens are free ranging, but they don't much like the snow.
 
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Here are a few ideas that I've found and planning for in the near future...

Cold Weather Chickens – 8 Things NOT to Do to in Winter
How to prepare your chickens for winter isn’t especially intuitive, and many people may take steps that can actually make things more difficult for their flock rather than helping them to become cold weather chickens! Choosing cold hardy breeds (if you live in an area of cold winters) is certainly an important first step! But presuming you’ve already made good breed choices, you’ll also want to know what NOT to do for your cold weather chickens.

1. Don’t keep your chickens closed up in their coop when it’s cold.
We like to go outside, even in the winter!
Instead, good cold weather chickens can be allowed to decide when they want to stay in or come out. You might think that your chickens won’t want to go outside in the snow, and sometimes that’s true. Some of your chickens will hate it, and will stay inside most of the day, but others won’t mind it at all. The only time I keep the coop door closed during the day is when the snow is too deep for my cold weather chickens to walk in, or when it’s just so bitter and windy I know no one will come out. (And even then, I sometimes open the door just in case).

Poor Prissy, my Rhode Island Red, sometimes comes outside and only afterwards realizes she doesn’t want to be out in the snow! Here she is having flown to an old chair so she doesn’t have to walk in it, anymore.

2. Don’t tightly insulate your coop.
I know that seems strange, but it’s true–tightly insulated coops can cause more harm than good. If your coop is tightly insulated, not only will it retain heat, it will also retain moisture… and retaining moisture in the coop is very, very bad. Chickens create a lot of moisture from their respirations. A lot of moisture also evaporates from their droppings. And in winter, they’ll be spending more time inside, even if just because of the longer winter nights! More droppings build up–and more moisture—and a lot of moisture in the air to condense and freeze will contribute to frostbite. All that humidity also increases the risk of unhealthy conditions in the coop leading to respiratory ailments and mold-related illnesses. Plus, poor ventilation can also cause ammonia gas to build up inside your coop, which is damaging to your chickens’ lungs. Cold weather chickens need a coop to be well ventilated but not drafty.

3. Don’t heat your coop.
This is another piece of advice that seems completely counter-intuitive… however it’s good advice for a number of reasons. Chickens adapt to lower temperatures over time. If the coop is heated, they’ll never become real cold weather chickens—they’ll never get used to the cold winter temperatures outside. Then, if you lose power and their heat goes out, the sudden sharp drop in temperatures with no time to acclimate means you could lose your whole flock in one terrible, fell swoop. Even if it doesn’t come to that, if your chickens are hesitant to spend time outside, they will spend even more time inside the coop making the air wet and breathing the unhealthy, moist air. Finally, heating the coop is often a fire hazard. Remember, chicken coops are generally pretty dusty places, and we hear stories every year from people who have lost their coops—and their flock—to chicken coop fires. The only time I heat my coop is during a sudden, precipitous drop in temperature, just to help ease the transition for my cold weather chickens.

4. Don’t forget to gather eggs more often than usual.
If you have cold weather chickens, some may continue to lay during the winter, and the eggs could freeze. While this doesn’t really hurt them, exactly, it IS a risk for bacterial contamination, because the frozen egg contents expand, and can create tiny hairline cracks in the shell you might not see with the naked eye. The cracks can let bacteria into the shell. Of course, at cold temperatures, the bacteria doesn’t grow very quickly, but nonetheless, keeping cracked eggs is just not a good idea. Plus, there’s nothing like opening your refrigerator to find that an egg has thawed and seeped out all over everything—ugh, what a mess!

If I find an egg with a hairline crack, I don’t save it.
Instead, I use it right away by cooking up scrambled eggs for the girls, who enjoy some warm treats on a cold day! (It sometimes takes a while to thaw before I’m able to scramble them, though…)

5. Don’t let your water freeze.
Keeping fresh, unfrozen water for your flock in the winter can be a challenge. There are always the heated waterers, but—I admit it—I don’t care for these very much. (There are people here at My Pet Chicken who swear by them, though, and they may work for you just fine.) Personally, I don’t like the fire risk, although they are much safer than as trying to heat the coop. I’ve also found them to be generally harder to use and clean than regular waterers. One heated waterer I had filled itself so close to the rim that it needed to be EXACTLY level so it wouldn’t simply pour its contents out on the floor. Another worked well, except for the fact that the chickens kept unplugging it. A third functioned nicely in reasonably mild cold weather, but in very bitter cold, the top of the reservoir would freeze, so that the bottom heated portion where the chickens were meant to drink from would run completely dry. I haven’t found a heated waterer that works very well for me and my cold weather chickens. Instead, I just use multiple waterers. In the morning, I bring in a fresh waterer, and bring in the waterer that was in the coop overnight, and is now frozen. By the time that one is thawed, the other one is nearly frozen, so I switch them out. It requires a lot of walking and carrying, but my preference is to do it that way rather than use expensive heated waterers for my flock.

6. Don’t put off coop cleaning.
Because your cold weather chickens will be spending more time inside and creating more droppings inside as a result, the coop will need cleaning more often. For myself, I like to use the deep litter method for managing my coop rather than frequent cleanings, but even doing that, new bedding needs to be added more frequently in the winter to make sure everything stays dry and cozy.

7. Don’t let your birds get too bored.
If they have a very small coop and run, there may not be a whole lot to entertain your flock like there is during warmer months. When snow is on the ground, there will be little or no sunbathing. With the ground frozen, dust bathing is unlikely. There won’t be lots of bugs to catch or greens to forage. Bored birds may become snippy or even aggressive with one another if there isn’t anything to think about or do other than reinforce the pecking order over and over again. Alleviate some of the boredom for your cold weather chickens by adding treats to their area. For instance, hang a head of cabbage in your coop for your girls to peck at. As they peck, it swings, making it more difficult to eat immediately, and keeping them entertained for hours. My chickens, seemingly unlike any other chickens in the world, don’t care for cabbage, but there are other treats that can work well for entertainment. For example, suet cakes work well. I prefer to use something high protein, like the Optimal Forage Cake designed for chickens and other domestic poultry, but in winter time something that’s also high in fat (like scratch or cracked corn) can give them the extra calories they need to help stay warm. You can also simply scatter some scratch inside the run for them to forage for—that will keep them entertained, too.

8. Don’t forget to protect their combs.
Most cold weather chickens have small combs, but if you have breeds with very large combs, a little petroleum jelly can weatherize them, because it helps guard against frostbite. Spread a little petroleum jelly on their combs. Keep in mind that it needs to be a barely-there, thin layer to help keep their combs from getting chapped. Healthy skin decreases susceptibility to frostbite, so you’re just trying to keep the exposed skin from getting chapped and cracked. Some people assume if a little Vaseline is good, then more is better, but that’s not true! Put on only as much as you’d want on your lips to help keep them moist.

 
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Thanks for all of that. It looks like I'm on the right track then oddly enough. The freezing water is a bit of a pain in the ass but I really can't argue too much as the chicken coop is just off of my porch for the winter so it's not a huge effort to swap out. The weather has been around 30 during the day and 18 at night. We're still averaging 10 eggs a day from 17 hens, so... not too bad.
 
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I keep the dog's dwelling close to the chicken's dwelling and the constant movement of the dog cutting trail for the chickens helps them get out when the snow is deep...which they will do. Mine go out in all weathers and the only deterrent snow provides is when it's too deep in which to navigate, so the dog cutting trail gives them a way to get to other areas they like to be besides the coop.

I do not use any ointment on the combs and have found that I do not need to do so when the ventilation in the coop is adequate and I use deep litter. This combination has eliminated frost bite issues for me, even in single digit, sustained temps. Frost bite is a humidity problem...remove the humidity in the coop at night and there is no problem.

Our first snow this year was barely even on the ground before the chickens were rushing out into it...they don't mind the snow in the least. Never did...if they can walk in it, they are out in it.



I agree with the advice on keeping good air flow in the coop, no heat or supplementary light provided, deep litter that is kept well balanced, provide enough space in your coop that the birds are not cramped if they stay in for the day or are snowed in for days...deep litter helps, different places or levels of being in the coop helps, natural lighting from windows, throwing a little BOSS in the bedding, etc. all help to keep the flock occupied and happy during days of winter cabin fever.
 
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by, "If I find an egg with a hairline crack, I don’t save it. Instead, I use it right away by cooking up scrambled eggs for the girls, who enjoy some warm treats on a cold day!", I'm assuming you mean the chickens (and not your actual children?). It's OK for chickens to eat chicken?

and would a screened bottom to the coop be fine for winter use? Assuming the coop is kept safe from howling winds...
 
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Andrew James wrote:by, "If I find an egg with a hairline crack, I don’t save it. Instead, I use it right away by cooking up scrambled eggs for the girls, who enjoy some warm treats on a cold day!", I'm assuming you mean the chickens (and not your actual children?). It's OK for chickens to eat chicken?

and would a screened bottom to the coop be fine for winter use? Assuming the coop is kept safe from howling winds...



I often give my hens cooked eggs. It's usually from cracked eggs or ones that have frozen before I get to them. I scramble the eggs and crumble the shell into bits. Cook it all together with a little bacon fat and some greens. MMMMMM
 
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As I posted under another heading-- My old farmer friend says feeding his hens warm mash early in the morning the giving them a pail of warm water would get him some eggs by 9:00 am. Worth a try.
 
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I just started using pine needles and very thin pine branches as bedding in the coop. It certainly improved the smell in there and it makes a nice bedding as far as keeping the poop down. Question is, what to do with this bedding once it turns to mulch? Is it good for the soil, even though it's base is Douglas Fir?
 
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My chickens don't seem to go outside much when the ground is frozen, snow or not. It can be cold and sleeting/raining and the little morons will stay out all day so long as the ground is still soft enough for them to scratch. When I built "chicken fortress 2000" it was before I read Paul's article on paddock shift, I built the coop a few feet off the ground, with the below ground area fenced. They can get underneath whenever they like and scratch for food that has fallen from their food bowls up above. The ground there is usually much more dry, and as the straw falls through it doesn't really stick to the ground. My opinion is the result is they can get undeneath even when the ground is frozen solid and feel like they're scratching around. Even when they can go outside, they tend to hang out inside or go underneath.
 
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Hi I am new here My 3rd year with chickens at my current place. I find they do not like deep snow, but will come out if I shovel most of the snow away from their pop door. I put down some straw/hay outside for them to scratch in and keep their toes toasty. They don't like wind and and if it is -30C they tend to stay in, but nice days -15 or so they are outside. I use deep litter in my coop over winter and clean it out in the Spring.

 
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Since this post was already resurrected, I might as well add to it :)

For those people with vegetable crops and chickens... put them in a greenhouse in the winter. You have to be extra careful about moisture problems, but it gives the chickens a big space to run around and scratch in (especially if you are using deep mulch). Then in the spring you bring them back outside and you have a well fertilized area to grow tomatoes, peppers, etc. in. Lest you think I got this idea on my own... I stole it from Joel Salatin :)... and it worked quite well for me.
 
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Matt McSpadden wrote:Since this post was already resurrected, I might as well add to it :)

For those people with vegetable crops and chickens... put them in a greenhouse in the winter. You have to be extra careful about moisture problems, but it gives the chickens a big space to run around and scratch in (especially if you are using deep mulch). Then in the spring you bring them back outside and you have a well fertilized area to grow tomatoes, peppers, etc. in. Lest you think I got this idea on my own... I stole it from Joel Salatin :)... and it worked quite well for me.



I do something similar, except I wouldn't really call mine a greenhouse.  I made a hoop house five cattle panels long and attached it to the coop where the chicken door is.  The first year, it was a greenhouse.  The temperature swings were immense, over 90F during the day, and dropping to 0F or colder some nights.  I can't believe those swings are good for the birds, so after that I started leaving the end wall off, so it was just the support structure.  That gave the birds 150' or so of covered area they could walk around in.  My birds don't mind the cold but they don't like to walk in the snow.  The structure kept the snow out, blocked our frigid winds, and still warmer up higher than the outside temperatures so their water stayed liquid a little longer.  It has worked out really well for me.  I'm building a new coop now and the cattle panel area will start out that size, but the plan is to make it much bigger so I can house more birds, and have more compost in the spring.
 
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