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Thomas said, "Have you seen the Liberator RMH stoves?
They are UL listed and insurable. They burn wood or pellets.
They can push 12' of horizontal pipe; a trusted source recently said they can push 18'!
Here is a link https://rocketheater.com/
Of course, As the RMH guy, I say build your own with our guidance.
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Carmen said, "On a secondary note - anyone know how to minimize condensation in the camper? My solution right now is to heat as little as possible, as rarely as possible but still the walls get quite wet
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carmen said, "My county will not consider any ready-made or 'tuff' sheds as homes.
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Anne Miller wrote:
carmen said, "My county will not consider any ready-made or 'tuff' sheds as homes.
Where I live that is a good thing.
Does this mean that a person cannot live in a tiny house?
That is a really strange rule because Jim Walters has been building ready-made homes for many years.
https://jimwaltersconstruction.com/
I guess that rules out all manufactured homes.
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Amy Gardener wrote:This housing solution is temporary, correct Carmen? If so, these temporary ideas probably exclude pouring concrete at this time while you settle on your permaculture design and long term plan, correct? Since you posted under “Tiny House,” do you want the ideas that we generate to be portable / moveable options? If you are dedicated to the quonset hut, please confirm.
However, if you are open to other ideas or brainstorming give us specific requirements (such as mobility, money, temperature, sunlight, time needed, cooking needs, available power, building skills and so forth).
I’m sure that experienced permies members are full of ideas if you free us up a bit!
For example, I (a true amateur working alone) built a cozy standalone “tiny bedroom” on stilts for under $1000 in the equivalent of a week of full-time work. Would you consider a tiny bedroom for your dad, a tiny outhouse and a tiny cooking shelter while you continue living in the truck camper for the winter? These tiny shelters could be repurposed later. Because they’re small (~5’ x 8’), heat is passive solar (no panels).
John Indaburgh wrote:I bought an acre and a half with a Quonset Hut on it very cheaply. There was an addition built on to it with a masonry fireplace. The home was insulated and had an air conditioner and an oil furnace. The Quonset Hut was built on top of a 12+ course high concrete block basement. The QH was a 16 1/2' X 37.5' WWII military surplus unit erected in about 1950 as "temporary housing". There were rough cut 2x8's spanning across and into the top course of blocks. On top of this was a metal grid which the QH sat on. The side walls were about 4' high and then began arcing up. There were no windows along the side walls and you couldn't mount kitchen cabinets. There was a double width window on one end and a door and a small window on the other end. The steps to the basement were along the middle of one side wall and the addition was built along most the other side wall.
The addition added two rooms also built on a matching height foundation. The addition made it much more livable. It added two rooms with windows which complemented the 3 rooms of the QH. Because of the addition and the basement steps there were no windows in the middle room of the QH so we referred to that room as the "useless room". After 62 years we removed the "temporary house" and built a small real house. We framed out a bathroom and the necessary hallway in what was the useless room. We hadn't planned to remove much of the addition. The roof needed to go because the roof trusses sat on top of the QH. The walls weren't the correct height and then the builder found that they had used half the addition for a porch for a number of years and when they framed that in they laid 2x4's over the roofing and the floor under that was "soft".
Before I made my offer for this property there was an offer awaiting mortgage approval which failed because of the only bathroom being in the basement. I think that was a mistake as I can't believe anyone would put a mortgage on a Quonset hut and then on top of that the basement bathroom. That offer was for 15% more than mine.
We hired an Amish crew to frame the new house in 2012. They charged us $7800 to remove the old and frame out the new including the tar paper on the roof. They took 3 days for demolition and framing. That didn't include the framing kit; the lumber, windows. doors, etc. We did this in a county with a larger city with tough zoning. There was and is a septic tank which wouldn't have happen except that we used part of the old house; the foundation. There was a matching QH about 30 feet away on another lot which was torn down shortly after our project. They're now building an oversized 2 story house about a 100 feet away on that acre lot.
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Mary Combs wrote:Hi Again Carmen ....
I've attached photos below as an idea of what is involved. Your load will be a whole lot smaller, but plan for it in advance anyway. I hope this additional information is helpful. Good Luck!!
Kel Rock wrote:Thanks for posting your question. I too am looking into QH to build a home. I’ve been trying to figure out a way to insulate it without taking away from the simple and elegant arch. Most people use spray foam or batting and cover it with tons of lumber and Sheetrock. I’m a fan of the industrial look and wish insulation wasn’t needed so I could enjoy the beauty of the steel. Since that’s clearly not practical, let me know if you find a solution that enhances the arch instead of hiding it.
Good luck with your build and let us know how it goes!
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Kel Rock wrote:Thanks for posting your question. I too am looking into QH to build a home. I’ve been trying to figure out a way to insulate it without taking away from the simple and elegant arch. Most people use spray foam or batting and cover it with tons of lumber and Sheetrock. I’m a fan of the industrial look and wish insulation wasn’t needed so I could enjoy the beauty of the steel. Since that’s clearly not practical, let me know if you find a solution that enhances the arch instead of hiding it.
Good luck with your build and let us know how it goes!
Kel Rock wrote:Thanks Phil, thanks Mary. The concept I’ve been playing around with is a wide, not too deep, QH for a house. Plenty of glass facing south with north wall mostly thermal mass and open inside except for an enclosed bathroom that would separate living/sleeping sides. The back side of the bathroom would be used to move between the sides and have storage and mechanical. South facing wall of bathroom could also serve as Trombe wall with a gap between wall and window to create convection. At some later point possibly use the roof of the bathroom for a small loft area. Other than cabinets for storage etc along QH walls the bathroom structure would support everything including most of the kitchen area. This would also keep plumbing as simple as possible having it all on each side of the same wall.
The only thing I wasn’t sure about (well, I’m sure plenty of issues would eventually come up) is how to insulate the shell without having to do a wood/drywall type framing and still keep the minimal aesthetic. It’s the form vs function vs budget paradigm.
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That's always the rub. It's why if people have more time than money, they often build something small out of as much salvaged or cheap material as they can, and save up for a better future.Kel Rock wrote: If I’m wrong in thinking the whole thing would add up to be an expensive build, I hope someone can tell me otherwise. I love the idea but can’t imagine doing it on my budget.
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