AnnaLea Kodiak wrote:My big over-aeching question is this: permaculture works, once a plan and a goal have been developed, usually starts with the clearing of trees and earth works and water harvesting to make way for the good systems we want to install on a property, to hopefully elevate the land above where it was before we intervened. At what point, though, are we doing more harm than good, even after our permaculture goals are realized?
AnnaLea Kodiak wrote:... but no system is truly self-feeding, at least not in the human scope. How far back in human existence do we have to go to find when humans were part of the natural system, rather than a system of their own in direct conflict with the natural system? The pioneers? No. The native Americans? No. Nomadic tribes of hunter gatherers? Maybe
I'm concerned that someone has used persistent yucky chemicals on that land. I'm wondering if you can afford to have it tested? If you can identify the yucky stuff, hopefully, people here on permies can make suggestions of microbes or other treatment that might help that land heal. It could still take years. I got one batch of bad horse manure that was contaminated. I've still got that area quarantined and there are finally some broad leaf plants moving in but it's on my list to do a germination test in that area - it's a bit hard because it's frequented by deer who think baby broad leaf plants are desert, not to mention, no shortage of Banana slugs!
but somehow it hasn't started to reclaim
Jay said, My signature has the link to Dr Redhawk's soil health threads here on permies. It wouldn't surprise me if the information you might need would be within those threads!
You just made my day! One of the most fun things I got to see was two springs ago when a pair of Great Horned Owls fledged a couple of owlets on our land. So often, the window within when nesting sites need to be protected is amazingly narrow. Thank you for looking into the issue in your ecosystem. If you're only there 1 weekend a month, baring actually cutting down a nest tree, I suspect the birds will cope with the disruption, but I know very little about your location.
AnnaLea Kodiak wrote:
B- this is a fantastic suggestion that I didn't even consider. I'll do some googling to see if I can't find the species name and see what I can find out that way though, since I have social anxiety....if that turns out fruitless I'll suck it up and talk to a county wildlife person :) there's a wildlife museum about 20 minutes away if I remember correctly
It's complicated... and I certainly don't know enough about the subject myself, not to mention, every ecosystem is different. However, if you can borrow or buy a copy of Braiding Sweetgrass - reviews here: https://permies.com/wiki/166482/Braiding-Sweetgrass-Robin-Wall-Kimmerer - she talks about some of the native understory plants. Researching native plants for your region may help, but in general, my understanding is that a big part of it are the spring bulbs, including wild garlic. These come up, flower, seed and die back pretty much before deciduous trees leaf out. Some of them are human edible. I'm just in too different an ecosystem to suggest further!
D- I was under the (completely unfounded outside of assumption) impression that old growth was like, the ultimate goal for a natural forest? But you're right there is zero undergrowth, just a nice thick leaf mat. Do you have suggestions for what we can do here? There is no sun that breaks through the canopy once the leaves come in
I think that would be a yes, but being Canadian, we don't have that sort of system in place.
As far as the two acres go, I am honestly not sure about yucky stuff lol
I know the general history but not the specifics, sounds like you're right, a soil test is in order I think. Would the local extension office have info on how to get that done?
AnnaLea said, " just a layer of leaves/needles that gets more composted near the bottom (almost topsoil?) and under than is just straight clay. I could make a pot out of it lol
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