Tom Kozak wrote:besides, don't we all like an excuse to get out and walk the rangeland?
Abe Connally wrote:when you consider the cost to infrastructure (fencing, water, etc) to switch to mob grazing, holistic grazing and other beneficial methods, this sort of thing really makes sense. Especially in places like Mexico, Africa, Australia, where people with little resources manage enormous amounts of land and small numbers of animals...
Just on a small scale (10 acres), to do mob grazing on my hill, I'm looking at thousands of dollars in infrastructure, mainly fencing and water. what 3rd world rancher can afford to do that on thousands of acres?
While you say it may make the cowboy extinct, there are not many cowboys like their used to be, anyway. They are not herding the cattle, they let them free range within huge paddocks.
The only cowboying going on is when it is time to wean, doctor or cull.
Chris Kott wrote:you would need a shock induced in front of where the pig is looking, because you need to discourage the specific action of going forward. It was thought that if you shock them behind the head somewhere, it would cause them to go forward. Also, there was the observation that the visual cues of strange-coloured fencing becomes useful in itself as a reminder of the danger of shock, and that shock collars have no visual cue corresponding to it.
I made the observation there that something like a sonic cue (like a whistle that starts a set distance from a boundary and increases in pitch and volume, or some similar small, intermittent cue) that the animals could use to deliberately avoid shock while grazing to the extent of the space provided.
But I agree with the concept in principal. I'd love to just set my computerised, shock collar-controlled grazing plan and come back at culling time.
jonathan white wrote:With a fence you are setting parameters and aligning those parameters with visual cues which will be learned and eventually lead to understanding and less stress. If you are using electric current to constantly manipulate without some sort of understanding by the animal I am certain you will end up with over stressed and maladjusted livestock.
I just think that a collar with no other cues creates a constant guessing game.